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Created by: math731

Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 11, 2022

Published: Jun. 11, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

MTL

Barrie, Tyson
Holloway, Dylan
Kassian, Zack
2023 1st round pick (EDM)

Additional Details:

Top 10 protect first

EDM

Anderson, Josh
Mysak, Jan
2022 2nd round pick (MTL)

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33 OA

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
20	$82,500,000	$72,170,416	$1,132,500	$2,070,000	$10,329,584

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hoffman, Mike $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW UFA - 2	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 8	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5
Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 3
Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 3	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
	Poehling, Ryan $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1
	Holloway, Dylan $925,000$925,000 ($500,000$500K) LW, C RFA - 2	Kassian, Zack $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Petry, Jeff $2,343,750$2,343,750 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Harris, Jordan $842,500$842,500 ($507,500$508K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 3	Allen, Jake $2,875,000$2,875,000 G UFA - 1
	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) RD RFA - 2
Barrie, Tyson $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 4

Jun. 11, 2022 at 3:09 p.m.

Canesfan21_

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McDavid should demand a trade if the oilers do this

Jun. 11, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.

LIRIK

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I think MTL will wait to get a similar package to what Detroit got for Mantha.

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.

math731

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Quoting: LIRIK

I think MTL will wait to get a similar package to what Detroit got for Mantha.

That's pretty much a package similar in terms of value to what DET got imo.

Jun. 11, 2022 at 3:30 p.m.

oilersguy

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we have no need for anderson

Jun. 11, 2022 at 3:34 p.m.

Campabee

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Quoting: math731

That's pretty much a package similar in terms of value to what DET got imo.

I think what he means is Anderson alone should return that based on the Mantha trade. Mantha got a 1st + 2nd + Vrana + Panik (cap dump) equating that here Anderson for Halloway (Vrana) + 1st (1st) + Barrie (2nd + 3rd) + Kassian (larger cap dump). Montreal shouldn't need to add Mysak and a 2nd IF you are modeling after the Mantha trade.

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 3:35 p.m.

SK101

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I think holland finally gets fired if he does this trade

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 3:37 p.m.

KiSS_My_Asthma

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I like Anderson for the Oilers, apparently I'm the only one though ahah. Not sure I love that particular trade though. Maybe if you drop the first and second round picks getting swapped?

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.

Poehling

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Quoting: KiSS_My_Asthma

I like Anderson for the Oilers, apparently I'm the only one though ahah. Not sure I love that particular trade though. Maybe if you drop the first and second round picks getting swapped?

Holloway + cap dump vs Anderson no salary retained isn’t enough for MTL IMO

Jun. 11, 2022 at 3:51 p.m.

csick

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If you switched Holloway for a much lower tier prospect than maybe

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 4:01 p.m.

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westleysnipez

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Quoting: Poehling

Holloway + cap dump vs Anderson no salary retained isn’t enough for MTL IMO

I don't follow. Anderson hasn't scored more than 20 goals or 40 points since 2018-19 and has only 0.46 points per game with Montreal. He's scoring like a middle-six and paid like a Top-6. How are Holloway and a cap dump not enough for him?

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 4:03 p.m.

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smokewiseganja

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Quoting: Poehling

Holloway + cap dump vs Anderson no salary retained isn’t enough for MTL IMO

What is in the water in Quebec?

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 4:04 p.m.

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smokewiseganja

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Wouldn’t take Anderson for free. This package is a joke

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 4:10 p.m.

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uncle_toto

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Quoting: KiSS_My_Asthma

I like Anderson for the Oilers, apparently I'm the only one though ahah. Not sure I love that particular trade though. Maybe if you drop the first and second round picks getting swapped?

I'm not gonna speculate on what type of return Anderson would fetch, but he'd be a thing of beauty riding shotgun with McDavid and/or Draisaitl.

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 4:24 p.m.

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Poehling

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Quoting: westleysnipez

He’s a power forward who can skate shot dangle hit and he’s 6’3 227 lbs

He was MTL 2nd best goal scorer last year and 3rd this year
He played with a team with low offense but still manage to be one of our best goal scorer. Other GMs don’t look at points only, they look at what he brings on the table. Anderson problems are he can’t play defense and has a North/South game only

Quoting: smokewiseganja

What is in the water in Quebec?

Look what Lehkonen brought
Anderson would bring a better return

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 4:30 p.m.

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KiSS_My_Asthma

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Quoting: uncle_toto

I'm not gonna speculate on what type of return Anderson would fetch, but he'd be a thing of beauty riding shotgun with McDavid and/or Draisaitl.

So true. I think he could be Evander Kane 2.0
Imagine the kind of season he could have playing with an elite talent like McDavid. He could become a point a game player with 35+ goal upside. I think it's a huge gamble, but it could be amazing!

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 4:34 p.m.

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westleysnipez

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Quoting: Poehling

He’s a power forward who can skate shot dangle hit and he’s 6’3 227 lbs

He was MTL 2nd best goal scorer last year and 3rd this year
He played with a team with low offense but still manage to be one of our best goal scorer. Other GMs don’t look at points only, they look at what he brings on the table. Anderson problems are he can’t play defense and has a North/South game only

Those are two very important things Anderson is lacking for today's NHL. That means if Anderson isn't scoring well (and he hasn't been relative to his contract) he's a liability.

Quoting: Poehling

Look what Lehkonen brought
Anderson would bring a better return

Lehkonen is/was also:

- 3.1m cheaper (2.4m cap hit)
- The better scorer last season compared to Anderson (29 pts in 58 vs. 32 pts in 69 w/Montreal)
- Able to play defense (60% dZone starts vs. Anderson's 45%)

That's why Lehkonen brought such a good return.

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 4:38 p.m.

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Poehling

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Quoting: westleysnipez

Those are two very important things Anderson is lacking for today's NHL. That means if Anderson isn't scoring well (and he hasn't been relative to his contract) he's a liability.

If Anderson was good defensively and not a liability, he wouldn’t have been traded

Lehkonen is/was also:

- 3.1m cheaper (2.4m cap hit)
- The better scorer last season compared to Anderson (29 pts in 58 vs. 32 pts in 69 w/Montreal)
- Able to play defense (60% dZone starts vs. Anderson's 45%)

That's why Lehkonen brought such a good return.

Lehkyis my guy, I ****ing love him, but players like Anderson are so rare that IMO he could fetch more than Lehky

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 4:46 p.m.

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uncle_toto

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Quoting: KiSS_My_Asthma

I agree. I would say he's faster than Kane too, so flying down McDavid's wing would be quite a sight.

There's a reason why we love him in MTL, but I don't think his value or potential is maximized on a rebuilder. He could absolutely shine playing for a contender though, especially with C's as talented as the guys in Edmonton. If I'm acquiring him, my only hesitation would be about his health.

I guess we'll find out soon enough if he moves or not.

Cheers brother!

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Jun. 11, 2022 at 4:53 p.m.

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westleysnipez

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Quoting: Poehling

If Anderson was good defensively and not a liability, he wouldn’t have been traded

If a player is a liability, then they don't have good trade value and won't fetch you a good return.

Quoting: Poehling

Lehkyis my guy, I ****ing love him, but players like Anderson are so rare that IMO he could fetch more than Lehky

As it stands now, Anderson is a below-average player vs. his AAV, that's not rare, that's pretty common. He's bad defensively, not scoring points to make up for his AAV and he's 27, you're not going to sell a GM on his future capabilities as if he's a prospect. You've got to sell him on what he's accomplished and how he has played recently.

Jun. 11, 2022 at 5:49 p.m.

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math731

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Quoting: Campabee

Holloway is worth more than Vrana at the time of the trade and that 2023 first is precious af imo

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Jun. 12, 2022 at 2:14 a.m.

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LIRIK

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Quoting: Campabee

Exactly, and Holloway is worth less than Vrana, but Anderson is 2 years older than Mantha.

Quoting: math731

Holloway is worth more than Vrana at the time of the trade and that 2023 first is precious af imo

Vrana had three 20+ goal seasons before he was traded. He was worth more than Holloway is worth now.

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Jun. 12, 2022 at 2:17 a.m.

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: Canesfan21_

McDavid should demand a trade if the oilers do this

That makes no sense. The Oilers are only giving up Barrie and cap dump Kassian from the roster. Mcdavid doesnt care about prospects. At least make some sense with your negativity

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Jun. 12, 2022 at 2:18 a.m.

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: oilersguy

we have no need for anderson

Yes. They do need a power forward if they dont replace Kane. Anderson is one of the few in the ballpark forget about all the nonsense about his low point total. He scores goals, hes supposed to finish the McDavid high dangers chances, Pool Party couldnt do it. 8.8% is not good enough for high danger chances that Connor creates

Jun. 12, 2022 at 2:20 a.m.

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: SK101

I think holland finally gets fired if he does this trade

He can do whatever he wants. He literally said that he gets squeezed at every opportunity and says keith wasnt coming for free. He complains about his job being too hard when questioned. The guy has already done more than enough to be fired yet hasnt

Jun. 12, 2022 at 2:22 a.m.

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Quoting: KiSS_My_Asthma

I like Anderson for the Oilers, apparently I'm the only one though ahah. Not sure I love that particular trade though. Maybe if you drop the first and second round picks getting swapped?

Any reasonable Oilers fan that doesnt think Holloway and Bourgault are coming into the lineup to become an elite 3rd line scoring a combined 100 pts with Keith retiring, thinks the same as you then there is the alternative

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