Defence NEEDS an upgrade

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Kaskisuo, Kasimir	3	$925,000
Holl, Justin	3	$925,000
Johnsson, Andreas	3	$925,000
Aaltonen, Miro	3	$925,000
Gauthier, Frédérik	3	$925,000
Pickard, Calvin	2	$1,000,000
Nylander, William	3	$5,200,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Baun, Kyle	3	$925,000
Smith, Ben	3	$925,000
Greening, Colin	3	$925,000
Plekanec, Tomas	2	$2,500,000
Carlson, John	7	$7,250,000
2017-19, Total bonus	1	$10,000,000

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
25	$80,000,000	$78,995,833	$2,550,000	$5,400,000	$1,004,167

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 3	Matthews, Auston $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) C UFA - 1	Nylander, William $5,200,000$5,200,000 RW UFA - 6
Marleau, Patrick $6,250,000$6,250,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 2	Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000$4,500,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW UFA - 1
Johnsson, Andreas $925,000$925,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Plekanec, Tomas $2,500,000$2,500,000 C UFA - 1	Kapanen, Kasperi $863,333$863,333 RW UFA - 1
Grundström, Carl $925,000$925,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Aaltonen, Miro $925,000$925,000 C, LW, RW RFA	Brown, Connor $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Leivo, Josh $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Moore, Trevor $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Horton, Nathan $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 4	Carlson, John $7,250,000$7,250,000 RD UFA - 8	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 3
Gardiner, Jake $4,050,000$4,050,000 LD UFA - 1	Barrie, Tyson $2,750,000$2,750,000 RD UFA - 2
Dermott, Travis $863,333$863,333 LD/RD UFA - 2	Hainsey, Ron $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Pickard, Calvin $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 1
Borgman, Andreas $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LD UFA - 1		2017-19, Total bonus $10,000,000$10,000,000

Apr. 20, 2018 at 6:14 p.m.

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Everbody has an opinion but I think Leaf fans are really being too optimistic that Marleau and his contract is just going to disappear in 2019/20. He can't retire without his 35 + contract and the cap being assigned to some other team, which is possible IF he retires. Robidas was not NHL ready after his broken leg. Lupul would've been sent to the minors if healthy. Marleau with his NMC can't be sent to the minors so his cap hit is still a Leaf.
And just knowing Marleau just superficially he isn't going to retire if he still NHL good and a chance to win a Cup in his last NHL season. Sure his contract was structured for a possible retirement, but there is no proof at all he wants to retire.
But certainly your cap is managed well for next though I wonder why fans of Oilers, Leafs and Canadians think Carlson is going to sign with their teams.

Apr. 20, 2018 at 8:12 p.m.

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Quoting: palhal

Everbody has an opinion but I think Leaf fans are really being too optimistic that Marleau and his contract is just going to disappear in 2019/20. He can't retire without his 35 + contract and the cap being assigned to some other team, which is possible IF he retires. Robidas was not NHL ready after his broken leg. Lupul would've been sent to the minors if healthy. Marleau with his NMC can't be sent to the minors so his cap hit is still a Leaf.
And just knowing Marleau just superficially he isn't going to retire if he still NHL good and a chance to win a Cup in his last NHL season. Sure his contract was structured for a possible retirement, but there is no proof at all he wants to retire.
But certainly your cap is managed well for next though I wonder why fans of Oilers, Leafs and Canadians think Carlson is going to sign with their teams.

Well 1st I'm going to address the easiest thing. I signed Carlson but it doesn't HAVE to be Carlson, I'm just hoping it's a BIG name defender to help the back end cause we NEED it. I think we need more then one but that's my opinion.

Like I said in the description, I did notice after I didn't include Sparks 2 mill but that also is if he plays backup next year. But yes I did pay attention to the cap. We don't need to trade Marleau but it would make the cap easier to control.

Apr. 20, 2018 at 9:05 p.m.

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Well 1st I'm going to address the easiest thing. I signed Carlson but it doesn't HAVE to be Carlson, I'm just hoping it's a BIG name defender to help the back end cause we NEED it. I think we need more then one but that's my opinion.

Like I said in the description, I did notice after I didn't include Sparks 2 mill but that also is if he plays backup next year. But yes I did pay attention to the cap. We don't need to trade Marleau but it would make the cap easier to control.

There are "lots" of potential good Dmen UFAs in 2019, so it might be best time to sign one of then. Also by 2019, Leafs will have better indication of what the available cap will be. The UFA is pretty slim this year.
Oh, I agree with you, no having Marleau would be best in 2019...maybe even next year, but just unlikely it's gonna to happen.

Apr. 21, 2018 at 10:19 a.m.

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There are "lots" of potential good Dmen UFAs in 2019, so it might be best time to sign one of then. Also by 2019, Leafs will have better indication of what the available cap will be. The UFA is pretty slim this year.
Oh, I agree with you, no having Marleau would be best in 2019...maybe even next year, but just unlikely it's gonna to happen.

You really think Matthews and Marner aren't getting extended the second they able to? I say do the contracts at the same time. Seperate rooms. Lou signs Matthews and Pridham signs Marner. Once those 2 are resigned then you can go into free agency and take your pick of the litter. 2 even, cause Hainsey And Gardiner are gone unless something durastic changes in Gardiners game next season. Those are 2 big minute guys that need to be replaced and I don't want to go into a season with
Rielly-Zaitsev
Dermott-Carrick
As my top 4.

Apr. 21, 2018 at 1:35 p.m.

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You really think Matthews and Marner aren't getting extended the second they able to? I say do the contracts at the same time. Seperate rooms. Lou signs Matthews and Pridham signs Marner. Once those 2 are resigned then you can go into free agency and take your pick of the litter. 2 even, cause Hainsey And Gardiner are gone unless something durastic changes in Gardiners game next season. Those are 2 big minute guys that need to be replaced and I don't want to go into a season with
Rielly-Zaitsev
Dermott-Carrick
As my top 4.

Well if Marner and Matthews are signed July 1st that would prove your point of "a second they are able to". Hey I hope it happens because then the Leaf would have more cap certainty a year earlier. Agree with you that Gardiner won't/can't be resigned in the summer of 2019. But with the lineup you have, a just 4m of Gardiner leaving, and Horton on LTIR. that's 9.3m. where is the cap room Marner, Matthews and others in 2019?

Apr. 22, 2018 at 3:42 a.m.

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Well if Marner and Matthews are signed July 1st that would prove your point of "a second they are able to". Hey I hope it happens because then the Leaf would have more cap certainty a year earlier. Agree with you that Gardiner won't/can't be resigned in the summer of 2019. But with the lineup you have, a just 4m of Gardiner leaving, and Horton on LTIR. that's 9.3m. where is the cap room Marner, Matthews and others in 2019?

Bonuses, Gardiner, Hainsey, and cap going up. It told I'd have 56-57 mill in cap spent before I do anything. That gives me about 26 mill in cap space. Might have to make another move though just in case.
Matthews 10
Marner 7
Kapanen 2.5
Total 19.5 still gives about 7 mill to sign: Borgman (if not traded or let walk) and other depth. Might be time by then to bring up Bracco, Brooks and Lilegren.

Apr. 22, 2018 at 7:43 a.m.

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Bonuses, Gardiner, Hainsey, and cap going up. It told I'd have 56-57 mill in cap spent before I do anything. That gives me about 26 mill in cap space. Might have to make another move though just in case.
Matthews 10
Marner 7
Kapanen 2.5
Total 19.5 still gives about 7 mill to sign: Borgman (if not traded or let walk) and other depth. Might be time by then to bring up Bracco, Brooks and Lilegren.

DJ, What I meant if it's 19.5m to sign 7, it makes a player like Doughty or Karlson very unlikely. Maybe Ellis though. Agree with you, that the Leafs are probably depending on Liljegren, and Bracco to be Leafs in 2019/20. Another guy who has some offensive swagger when he's going well is winger Tishnakov. Leafs have drafted large sized Dmen in the mid to late rounds in past years. Three in the OHL, and Greenway with Wisconsin. If one of two of those guys could be competent NHLers, that would be a bonus.

Apr. 23, 2018 at 1:50 a.m.

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DJ, What I meant if it's 19.5m to sign 7, it makes a player like Doughty or Karlson very unlikely. Maybe Ellis though. Agree with you, that the Leafs are probably depending on Liljegren, and Bracco to be Leafs in 2019/20. Another guy who has some offensive swagger when he's going well is winger Tishnakov. Leafs have drafted large sized Dmen in the mid to late rounds in past years. Three in the OHL, and Greenway with Wisconsin. If one of two of those guys could be competent NHLers, that would be a bonus.

I know but we would have Barrie AND Carlson, we wouldn't need Doughty or Karlsson. Which means the year after next Leafs COULD have a D lineup of

Rielly-Carlson
Dermott-Barrie
Borgman/Rosen-Meloche/Lilegren

8 NHL calibre D and more one the way with who we have in the system and who we pick in the draft.

Oh I really like Timashov, and Trevor Moore and Brooks. Those 3 could crack the Leafs in a couple years for sure. Timashov might next year.

As for Greenway, he's a big dude but I don't know if he fits our system. Leafs are a fast group, is he quick?

Apr. 23, 2018 at 8:10 a.m.

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As for Greenway, he's a big dude but I don't know if he fits our system. Leafs are a fast group, is he quick?[/quote]

Apparently a very good skater, big and strong. But can he play NHL defence? Always a question with any young player. The three big junior players look good.....as juniors, can they play NHL defence. We'll find out soon as they are probably going to have a chance with the Marlies.
Hey, I had hopes for Neilsen of the Marlies but he seems to have taken a step backwards this year

Interesting that folks that all the Leafs Dmen are so bad. Looking at the playoffs.....you could say the same about the Wild, Flyers, Kings, even the Pens.
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Apr. 23, 2018 at 10:20 a.m.

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Quoting: DJSums17

You really think Matthews and Marner aren't getting extended the second they able to? I say do the contracts at the same time. Seperate rooms. Lou signs Matthews and Pridham signs Marner. Once those 2 are resigned then you can go into free agency and take your pick of the litter. 2 even, cause Hainsey And Gardiner are gone unless something durastic changes in Gardiners game next season. Those are 2 big minute guys that need to be replaced and I don't want to go into a season with
Rielly-Zaitsev
Dermott-Carrick
As my top 4.

I somewhat agree and disagree with both of you on various points.

I agree with @palhal that the Marleau contract is unlikely to be traded. I guess it's possible he gets the 'Pronger' treatment...retires and then the Leafs trade his contract plus an asset to a team looking to hit the cap floor. But if he puts up another 25 goals next year I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the Leaf lineup for the 19-20 season. I don't see a scenario where he's still playing and not on the Leafs, tho as I doubt he'd be looking to move his family again.

As for the RFA signings, I am certain that Lou/Shanny and co. will have a complete understanding of what it will take to re-sign Matthews-Marner-Nylander within a week of the season ending. I do wonder, though, if instead of having them isolated in separate rooms, they actually make it more of a collaboration...during the negotiation window if they know they have a shot at a Tavares or Carlson...or a big name via trade...but ask them all if they're willing to shave off $500k-$1m on their respective extensions to help the team make additions. That will be the deciding factor in knowing if there's going to be the cap space to make a big add

Apr. 23, 2018 at 3:06 p.m.

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As for Greenway, he's a big dude but I don't know if he fits our system. Leafs are a fast group, is he quick?

Apparently a very good skater, big and strong. But can he play NHL defence? Always a question with any young player. The three big junior players look good.....as juniors, can they play NHL defence. We'll find out soon as they are probably going to have a chance with the Marlies.
Hey, I had hopes for Neilsen of the Marlies but he seems to have taken a step backwards this year

Interesting that folks that all the Leafs Dmen are so bad. Looking at the playoffs.....you could say the same about the Wild, Flyers, Kings, even the Pens.
.[/quote]

I'm interested to see what they do. I think they need help on D.

Apr. 23, 2018 at 3:11 p.m.

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I somewhat agree and disagree with both of you on various points.

I agree with @palhal that the Marleau contract is unlikely to be traded. I guess it's possible he gets the 'Pronger' treatment...retires and then the Leafs trade his contract plus an asset to a team looking to hit the cap floor. But if he puts up another 25 goals next year I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the Leaf lineup for the 19-20 season. I don't see a scenario where he's still playing and not on the Leafs, tho as I doubt he'd be looking to move his family again.

As for the RFA signings, I am certain that Lou/Shanny and co. will have a complete understanding of what it will take to re-sign Matthews-Marner-Nylander within a week of the season ending. I do wonder, though, if instead of having them isolated in separate rooms, they actually make it more of a collaboration...during the negotiation window if they know they have a shot at a Tavares or Carlson...or a big name via trade...but ask them all if they're willing to shave off $500k-$1m on their respective extensions to help the team make additions. That will be the deciding factor in knowing if there's going to be the cap space to make a big add

A lot of interesting points. But I think it'll be individual. If they do a conference type it'll only raise Willy and Mitch's contracts to Auston. Like Connor and Leon.

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