What even is that Petry trade?
Why would the leafs give up a good yound d-man and a second for a literal pylon

pass Larry Robinson is Available unlike Mcguire the fans wont turn on him over Molsons issues

Molson fires Boivin
Molson hires himself as only owner who is President and CEO
Molson hires Assistant GM in 2011 to run AHL
Molson hires MB as GM 2012
Molson hires first coach and long time stooge under atleast 5 other coaches under Molson era

MB is fucked no matter what he did and the only reason he got rid of Molson babysitter Jodoin is because he left because CJ wouldnt let him do matchups as CJ has always done his own .
Molson is the cancer , MB is just a symptom and Robinson is the only GM alive with enough clout to tell our fans to back off



the fact that you put AHL lifer Taormina on top 4 says this team is tryng to compete with 3/4 centers being Wingers who take faceoffs and not legit centers
it looks like you are going to pass ARZ and BUF for the worst team of the decade

the STL trade was good though so you get 2 stars for that

You're right, they won't. Any team can spend 5.5m better than Petry and also keep Leivo, Neilsen and a pick.

And why would any team hire McQuire? He's really a TV personality now and is years away from doing anything meaningful in the NHL. Do you really want a TV personality running your team? It would be like putting a TV personality in the White House.

Better then Gardiner, and Dermott too? I wouldnt even rank him ahead of Zaitsev and Hainsey. 5.5 for a disaster of a player that does the most boneheaded mistakes. No thanks. We already have Polak to stress with.

Gardiner 100% yes
Dermott like i keep telling you guys you have a new Dermott every 6 months
Zaitsev will be 100% better then Petry for sure but isnt now
Hainsey is our cast off so yes

I'm sorry, you are wrongly mistaken if you think Petry is better then Gardiner. Let alone points who Gardniner tops him in every year, but Petry has only ever been a plus player ONCE in his career. Jake Gardiner sure had blemishes under Carlyle, but is unbelievable under Babcock.

Funny how folks use stats to make justify players. Last year two of three top turnover players were Eric Karlsson and Burns. I guess they had the most because they had the puck frequently. See Silly739 hasn't got cable yet, and hasn't witnessed Dermot in the AHL or NHL. Leafs fans have never pounded the NHL abilities of any defencemen prospects except Dermot and Liljgren, which seems to very realistic. Habs fans keep on trading Fucale and McCarron in 50% of NHL trades. Dream on.

Gardiner is no prize i'm sorry i've watched him play enough to know he's Petry 2.0 but unlike petry he doesnt hit , doesnt block shots for example
and both Petry and Gardiner have only be + twice in their career so thats a huge non point you tried passing off there .

points arent what define a defensman overall play is which is why Lidstrom was greater then Gonchar and has all those Norris Trophies to prove it despite
gonchar producing around the same from 2000-2010 with more goals Lidstrom was always considered the better of the 2 because he hit , he blocked shots , he did it all

He's French. It was a joke. I think y'all take this like 8 notches overboard, but its extremely comical to come and see how much everyone's panties are in a knot over the 15 clicks I made in 10 minutes. Might be giving up a bit much for Petry - he's a righty as mentioned above and if you don't think that gets taken into account, you're very mistaken. Take Nielsen out of the trade if it makes you happy.

It isn't much to give up for a an allegedly NHL Dman. I don't think Nielsen is an NHLer. It's going into next season and for few more years, would rather have 5.5m than Petry.

Wow, whatever if you guys don't like Petry fine, but the stats don't lie. He is a legit top 4 dman. Not an elite one, not a superstar just your everyday top 4. Calling him a pylon for example is quite literally the worst example to be made for one of the fastest players on the team. I am not a Petry supporter. I have no problem trading him if needed but the over exaggeration towards him is laughable. Do you guys watch a player once and make a decision? Or maybe you reserve your judgment during the teams worst season in who knows how long and go with that? Or maybe we simply look at Plus/Minus, cause that is a great indicator right?

I'm not saying the trade is fair. Just that the undervaluing of Petry is not valid. 5.5M spent elsewhere? No that isn't a valid argument when a GM has limited time to improve his team and quite literally the hardest organization to attract UFA's in. Overpaid? Nope he's exactly what should get. Think of it as circumstantial economics. Just because one person gets X at this price doesn't mean everyone gets that same price.

C'mon Marco, the Leafs hardest organization to attract free agents? That was Brian Burke's excuse for being such a poor GM. Yep, Komarov returned, Moore, Marleau, Zaitsev, Borgman, Hainsey...c'mon man it's 2018.
Montreal can't even hang onto their own UFAs, Markov and Radulov. and then have to trade a young potential good Dmen Sergachov for Drouin. Being. able to get Radulov or attract a similar player the trade would not be necessary. Oh, my argument of spending 5,5m elsewhere is valid argument, it's called think long term planning instead of being locked into a player that you may not want for three full years.

Wasn't speaking about the Leafs, was saying that for the Habs. Unfortunately Habs don't have the same circumstances as the Leafs do and lets not get to ahead of ourselves either. Before Matthews-mania and the big rebuild, T.O. wasn't a desirable destination either. I have no clue to the point you're making about Habs not being able to retain its players but if I am assuming anything, it only adds to my point.

As for you're long term outlook, its mightily easy to make those assertions when your team is one of the best in the league and has a generational center at the helm isn't it? Tell me, how was is every year before Matthews-Mania? You argument is saying to spend that money elsewhere? Oh on guys like Matthews, Reilly and Nylander? Yeah Palhal, I don't think anyone is arguing with you on that. But yeah throwing 6.7M at Marleau or 3M at Hainsey or 2.5m at Martin is soooo much better spent, right?

Considering RHD is the Leafs weakest position of all, not sure you could spend 5.5M better elsewhere. (Unless you traded high end assets and if cap space wasn't an issue of course)

That's Marco correcting about the UFA and the attraction. My apologizes for being crass but I thought you had lost your mind. You can check, I was against spending 6.25 on Marleau, that money could have been spend better elsewhere, if not this year but maybe next year. You haven't see Hainsey enough this year, he's one of the best UFA signings this year. 3M well spend. Martin: I thought he really played well last year. He didn't take bad penalties and was an effective forechecker. And he had the presence with some "fragile" players around Nylander and Marner. This year he was OK, but with the addition of Marleau and now Kapanen on the wings, he can't make the lineup. July 1st 2018 he gets a signing bonus and for next two seasons he is only paid 2.5m total. So in the summer he should be pretty easy cap dump, which is probably Lou's thought all along.

The Leafs really only have 9 or 10m to spend UFA next year. Despite the rumours of Leafs horrid defence (which isn't true), the next's years weakness will be filling the centre spot with Bozak likely gone. There really no one with an offensive capabilities at centre. Maybe Marleau has to move to centre if they can't acquire anyone (I don't think it's Nylander). So that's one reason I don't like tying up 5.5m in Petry. Next years defence might Reilly, Gardiner, Borgman, Zaitsev, Hainsey, Dermot....I'd be happy with those six....and then Carrick or Holl? or maybe once centre is looked after, the Leafs can concentrate or maybe a short term vet for in position 5,6,7. The Leafs apparently are front runners on a Russian RHD UFA this summer. So he might be an answer too, though I certainly wouldn't be counting on him.

Ahhhh its fun when the team is doing well isn't it? Except then one player starts playing badly, the team doesn't quite live up to expectations and boom! You are all over the GM for making bad choices with his $$ that could been spent better elsewhere.......

Once again, you look at Petry and say 5.5M better spent elsewhere now. During the Habs worst season in countless years. When Petry has been given the task of being the team's best dman playing big minutes night in and night out on a terrible team. So you are saying Zaitzev or Hainsey would of filled those shoes better? LOL come on palhal. Its easy to look the other way when the team is winning and players play for a team thats playing well. Take Petry and plop him alongside Reilly on the top pairing and he'd make you forget about Hainsey in two seconds. All bias aside. We both know Habs and TML won't deal any major players to each other so this would never happen anyway but if Petry was coming from Colorado for example, and this was before the Leafs added Hainsey and Polak and invested that money in Petry instead (since T.O doesn't have the cap to keep both), you'd have a very different perspective of Petry right now.

Funny, I never been one to really worry about intra division teams trading. If it makes your team better so be it. And your playoff jockeying is based on the Conference, so if they put on the "no trade list" also, you've eliminated half the league.

Im only pointing out what they'd abide to. If it were me and you at the helm, we'd have no problem.

We've spoke about this before Marco, I will die on the hill that Petry is not a top 4 dman. Unless he goes somewhere else and proves it to me, he has always been lousy for EDM and MTL. Dont speak to me on stats because he's always been a negative player. I like you, I respect your opinion, but not on Petry

That's fine, but the stats don't lie. Plus/minus is not a stat for which you can derive players quality. OEL is a minus 1000 this year but he remains an elite dman. Or even Ristolainen for example. Good player on a bad team over many years. His plus minus is usually pretty bad but that isn't indicative of the quality of dman he is.

If you don't like him and the way he plays that is fine! I don't like Brad Marchand but Im not going to say he is a worthless 4th liner because of the dirty sh** he pulls every other day.

The worst part is you admittingly sell Petry short even when presented evidence that he is a better dman than you are giving credit for. That's like someone offering you a 1st rounder for him and then saying "no thanks, I hate his guts. Only give me a 7th and I'll be happy"...... Ok.....Your loss.

The market will dictate his value, you can reserve your own judgement on him but as I said you are only selling yourself short. Which is the opposite of what GM's do when managing assets. You only accept a complete loss when even the market says he's garbage and looking at the statistics that matter, he's at the bare minimum an average nothing special top 4 dman. Which is what he is paid to be. 5.5M.

Im not defending Petry as a player, Im defending what his value should be. That's all.