Rick Nash

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Created by: budsallday

Team: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 13, 2018

Published: Feb. 13, 2018

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Not saying this is going to happen, but if Lou is serious about going after Nash then the only assets I would give up for him would be mid-round draft picks and mid-level prospects to obtain 1.5 years of him. I still think he is an elite level player and would be an upgrade on any player the Leafs have on the left wing. He could immediately slot in on the 1st or 2nd line, playing with either Matthews or Kadri. This also helps give you the option of trading JVR (even though Lou said he was not being traded) at the TDL to upgrade the 3rd C or 4th C position, or even upgrade the blueline, or even replace the picks you gave up for Nash. The trade options are there.

Another option would be slotting Marleau at Centre and playing with Nash and Connor Brown. This helps with Browns development and also gives you 4 really scary looking lines going into the playoffs. This also pushes Bozak down as your 4C, so the need for going after an upgrade at C at the TDL is not there anymore.

Trades

TOR

2018 4th round pick (NYI)

NYI

Martin, Matt ($1,000,000 retained)

TOR

Nash, Rick ($3,900,000 retained)

NYR

Borgman, Andreas
Leivo, Josh
2018 2nd round pick (TOR)
2018 3rd round pick (SJS)
2018 4th round pick (NYI)

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3rd & 4th picks included for retained salary on Nash

TOR

Johnson, Jack

CBJ

Additional Details:

This trade gives Columbus the forward depth they need for the playoffs and gives Toronto depth on the blue line. There is no salary retained on Johnson unless Toronto throws in a pick, but with the term he has remaining it is best not to do that.

TOR

2018 7th round pick (NJD)

NJD

Polák, Roman

Buyouts

Tim Gleason: $1,333,333
Jared Cowen: $750,000
Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
Matt Martin: $1,000,000 (40%)

Buried

Eric Fehr: $975,000 ($2,000,000)
Martin Marincin: $225,000 ($1,250,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2018
2019
2020

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$75,000,000	$69,300,476	$5,370,000	$4,550,000	$5,699,524

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 4	Matthews, Auston $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) C UFA - 2	Nylander, William $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW UFA - 1
Nash, Rick $0$0 LW, RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Marleau, Patrick $6,250,000$6,250,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 3	Brown, Connor $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
van Riemsdyk, James $4,250,000$4,250,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000$4,500,000 C UFA - 5	Marner, Mitchell $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW UFA - 2
Komarov, Leo $2,950,000$2,950,000 RW, LW, C UFA - 1	Bozak, Tyler $4,200,000$4,200,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Kapanen, Kasperi $863,333$863,333 RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 5	Zaitsev, Nikita $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD UFA - 7	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 4
Gardiner, Jake $4,050,000$4,050,000 LD UFA - 2	Hainsey, Ron $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	McElhinney, Curtis $850,000$850,000 G UFA - 2
Dermott, Travis $863,333$863,333 LD/RD UFA - 3	Johnson, Jack $4,357,143$4,357,143 LD UFA - 1
	Carrick, Connor $750,000$750,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Horton, Nathan $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3
		Lupul, Joffrey $5,250,000$5,250,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1

Feb. 13, 2018 at 8:47 a.m.

clark

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" would be an upgrade on any player the Leafs have on the left wing." I don't think you have been watching the leafs for a few years, or have been watching nash for a few years.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 8:48 a.m.

budsallday

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Quoting: clark

" would be an upgrade on any player the Leafs have on the left wing." I don't think you have been watching the leafs for a few years, or have been watching nash for a few years.

Nash is better than JVR, Komarov and Hyman

Feb. 13, 2018 at 9:20 a.m.

Goulet

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That's way too much to give up for Nash and this is coming from a guy that wants to see him finish his career a Leaf.
Jack Johnson is not a good hockey player, period. He doesn't help this team. If the Leafs are going to bring in a D, it has to be someone like McDonagh or it is not worth doing.

Obvious thumbs up to dumping Polak and Martin.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 9:25 a.m.

MG1986

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Quoting: MarioPecchia91

Nash is better than JVR, Komarov and Hyman

Present day Rick Nash is not better than JVR. He provides more scoring then Komarov or Hyman, but both of those players are quicker and more defensively-reliable so it's not a fair comparison. The trade proposed sells low on Andreas Borgman, which the Leafs would never do, and giving up so many draft picks is not what this current leafs management is all about. Rick Nash is not a Leaf UNLESS JVR is moved out first, which, at this point, I don't see happening.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 9:27 a.m.

budsallday

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Quoting: Goulet

Why is it too much to give up? The leafs finish around top 5 in the standings and those mid-round picks are really high. Josh Leivo will never get a real opportunity to play on this team and Borgman is the only real good asset you take a risk on losing. You need to give up something in order to get Nash as there will be a bidding war for him. With Dermott and Liljegren in our system, Toronto can use Borgman as a good trade pieces without worrying about our losing much of our defensive depth in the future.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 9:32 a.m.

budsallday

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Quoting: MG1986

Present day Nash plays on a mediocre Rangers team. I would say he thrive under a speedy Babcock team where he will be used to his best abilities. We have seen transformations with players such as Kadri (who has turned into a really good defensive players) and Gardiner. The last game Nash played against Toronto he was very good. He is still a good athletic player and for 1.5 years its not a big risk. He plays a much better 200ft game than JVR and he is more of a Babcock player than JVR is.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 9:34 a.m.

budsallday

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Quoting: MarioPecchia91

Feb. 13, 2018 at 9:44 a.m.

MG1986

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Quoting: MarioPecchia91

Sounds to me like you are recalling a 2014-Sochi Olympian Rick Nash, not the current version of Rick Nash. While a decently good player, the Leafs should give Josh Leivo an actual chance. He doesn't cost the Leafs anything aside from a roster spot. Let the youth movement continue. Trading for Rick Nash would be contradictory to what the Leafs have been trying to do these last 3 years.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:06 a.m.

awsomemathews

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Nash is a big skilled player period. If the leafs could get him and sign him a couple years on the cheap look out. #NMN line

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:14 a.m.

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PuckPal

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Quoting: MarioPecchia91

Nash is better than JVR, Komarov and Hyman

I agree that he is better but do they really need an upgrade LW or the wingers at all? I would think a more pressing issue is Centre depth but that even isn't a desperate need

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:21 a.m.

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AdamFox

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Quoting: MG1986

once you said komarov is better defensively then rick Nash you went right on the ignore list

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:34 a.m.

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budsallday

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Quoting: PuckPal

I agree that he is better but do they really need an upgrade LW or the wingers at all? I would think a more pressing issue is Centre depth but that even isn't a desperate need

The left wing position is not a desperate need at all. I am simply giving my input on the rumors from the past 24 hours (Rick Nash saying he would waive is NTC for Toronto) I also made a point where Rick Nash on this team, without giving up any current roster players, can solve the Centre depth issue by slotting Marleau in to centre and pushing Bozak down to 4C.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:38 a.m.

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budsallday

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Quoting: PuckPal

I agree that he is better but do they really need an upgrade LW or the wingers at all? I would think a more pressing issue is Centre depth but that even isn't a desperate need

Also, Nash at $3,900,000 is a very good replacement for JVR when he leaves next season. Toronto wont be able to afford JVR's asking price and then there will be a hole to fill on the left wing.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:41 a.m.

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MG1986

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Quoting: buchnevichh

once you said komarov is better defensively then rick Nash you went right on the ignore list

I said "more defensively-reliable" and there are advanced stats to back up that position, if you had had a look. Don't let your team bias or the fact you happened to get up on the wrong side of the cranky bed skew your judgment on fact.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:41 a.m.

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budsallday

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Quoting: MG1986

$7,800,000 a season Rick Nash is the 2014 Sochi Olympian Rick Nash. At 3.9mil/season, this Rick Nash is a very good deal. He is still an effective player an provides very good depth. He still plays a 200ft game and can be a very effective penalty killer. He provides what Marleau provides.I do not see much risk in losing those draft picks either as Toronto has a heavy prospect pool (take a look at how well the Marlies are doing)

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:46 a.m.

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MG1986

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Quoting: MarioPecchia91

Leaf fans need to keep the long-term in mind. Consider how tough it is to obtain elite-level players, let alone elite-level defenseman, Leafs should continue to draft and develop to, hopefully, find that. It costs nothing for the Leas to stay the course, but it cost them in both the long and short term to make such a trade. Fact remains that the Leafs have 2 quality in-house replacements for JVR, both of whom at least deserve a chance. I am of course referring to Josh Leivo, but more importantly, Andreas Johnsson.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:47 a.m.

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budsallday

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Quoting: MG1986

I agree.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:53 a.m.

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Goulet

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Quoting: MarioPecchia91

Nash, right now, is a shell of his former self and the Leafs already have too much depth on the wing. If Leivo and a 2nd doesn't get it done, with a 3 year extension as well, it's not worth doing. Eric Staal took a team friendly 3 year deal to play on a contender and to fit Nash into the future, he would have to do the same.

The Leafs need a top pairing D. Spending assets on a winger makes little sense.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:53 a.m.

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AdamFox

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Quoting: MG1986

BTW Im not implying Nash is a good fit for Toronto, actually I think a trade between the two will never happen. But Nash is still such a good two way player who generates a ton of shots

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:55 a.m.

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MG1986

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Quoting: buchnevichh

BTW Im not implying Nash is a good fit for Toronto, actually I think a trade between the two will never happen. But Nash is still such a good two way player who generates a ton of shots

A-HA! So you didn't ignore list me. Aren't you just so sweet

If I could throw a Seinfeld gif in this comment I would hahahaha!

Feb. 13, 2018 at 10:59 a.m.

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Quoting: MG1986

A-HA! So you didn't ignore list me. Aren't you just so sweet

If I could throw a Seinfeld gif in this comment I would hahahaha!

the leafs haven't won a playoff series in 14 years and made it twice since then, have a good day

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