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Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 13, 2023 at 6:44 p.m.
Thread: Habs give also 2nd if Nylander signs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hitagi_Senpai</b></div><div>Before the injury there was major talks, and even while he was injured teams still asked. But the ask was a 2nd+ Sorry but Mony isn't a second+

Ofc you wont put value in a proper opinion, because it doesn't cater to your HABS ASSETS BEST MONAHAN WORTH FIRST
ALLEN IS EASY 3RD
Savard PRIME ASSET 2 seconds EASY

Take your homer blinders off.

I am a homer, but even I have my limits lmfao</div></div>


17 pts in 25 game for 0.68% with 55.1% faceoff win ratio
16 pts in 28 game for 0.57 % with 57.1% faceoff win ratio

This is Monahan stats for both season play with Montreal.
As term of faceoff capacity Monahan is #14 on the list ( https://hockeyeloratings.com/players/faceoffratings ) funny enough people say Dvorak is an bad player yet he's #8 on this same list for best faceoff stats for this season. You could even argue that Montreal have 3 of there center in the top 15 best faceoff in the defensive zone. ( #7 Monahan, #10 Suzuki and #12 Dvorak. )

You have say that is 5vs5 stats is not good and I would agree with you on this but at same time how can you expect alot of points coming on 5vs5 time when he play with Pearson, Gallagher or Anderson which all of them look for offense as they have lost them somewhere. Of course Monahan produce more on Power play as he play with better player on this minutes. You could argue them point of Monahan playing second center with Montreal because they don't have some else yet he still prove that he's able to do the job at this spot. It's more real when you watch what Suzuki was able to do last season when Monahan was the second center and after when mony got injured what happen.

If it was not for Dach injured in the second game of the year, Monahan would have play with Suzuki and Caufield which would have show more points for all involved. But as Dach got injured and Dvorak was still recovering he was force to stay as second center with less then desirable winger.


Add in this the fact that he's pay 2m which is not alot ad could interest alot of competitive team to add him for playoff. At deadline there around 60% of the season that have gone which mean -60% of the 2m Monahan is pay which leave him with an cap around 800k and that is a real value.


So the question for you what is the value of an center able to:

Produce between 0.58% to 0.68%, have an average faceoff of 57% (top 15 league wise) that can play PK , PP and on 5vs5 on the second or third line which is pay 800k. And bring the intangible that he bring as vets.


Also add the fact that on deadline there may be more then one team who want him which mean action house and team try to overpay to get what they wanted.


But this is only on the condition that he stay healthy, otherwise I would say that he's value nothing because of injury history. I would also warry to even offer him another contract except of this on one or two year basis.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 13, 2023 at 8:56 a.m.
Thread: Habs give also 2nd if Nylander signs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Spoken like a true homer.

That's only 1 first rounder. Savard and Allen are cap dumps. Monahan and Harris aren't worth another 1st or even enough to pay for the cap dumps.</div></div>

YES MONAHAN is worth a 1st, and more. wit a minute and youll see (seriously, you think a top 6 center rental at 2mil is worth a 3rd? this isnt the ahl kid)

no, savard isnt a cap dump. dmen his age with a cup ring are never 'cap dumps' 'look at.. this guy and this guy'
shut it.
look at chiarot! how does that guy get 1st, 4th, ++

those make beleafs are tainited with the *stench of eternal first round exists*
willy Ny is worth 0. he will sign somewhere for free when he LEAFS as ufa.

ps: watch a couple more years of hockey. you may get it someday!
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 12, 2023 at 8:06 p.m.
Thread: Habs give also 2nd if Nylander signs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Spoken like a true homer.

That's only 1 first rounder. Savard and Allen are cap dumps. Monahan and Harris aren't worth another 1st or even enough to pay for the cap dumps.</div></div>

Could you please stop just throwing "homer" here and "homer" there and try substantiating what you have to say? Allen is better than Samsonov and his cap + that of Giordano (which we don't need nor want) is larger than that of Allen. So you cannot talk of a cap dump here.

And if you don't want Savard, a stay at home D with larger playoff experience than most Leafs will have ever have, it's perfectly ok. But saying that he's a cap dump just shows you don't really know much about players' value. I am not saying he is worth a first, and I am not saying that Monahan, a good 3C on a bargain deal, is individually worth a first to the Leafs. But Savard and Monahan together at the trade deadline, to an actual contender, they're definitely worth a first.

Now, given how clever you are, I am sure you know that the odds of a first-round draft pick **making** the NHL are roughly 75%, and a second round, roughly 35%. Jordan Harris IS a 22-yo NHL defenseman with top-4 potential. So if you have one of those that you'd trade for a second-rounder, good for you. I wouldn't trade him for less than a first-rounder.

We can disagree. But please either do you homework, talk about comparable trades and actual analyses, or just shut up. Calling people "homer" as if it were the cleverest insult of the century... not very interesting.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsSep. 12, 2023 at 6:34 a.m.
Thread: When St Louis finally decides to rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AC14</b></div><div>Regardless of point production his versatility and line driving would make him worth the 7.5-8. He’s a player I hope we’d pay that to.

Certainly would be sickened if we traded him for a 2nd a mid to bottom pairing defenseman and a waiver guy. Could probably tack in a first top 10 protected and it’s not worth it.</div></div>

You’re being extreme. Yeah this was probably light, but it depends on whether he comes with an extension or not. This proposal is for next offseason, he would have 1 year left. Change the 2nd to a top 10 prospected 1st and it seems fair. Btw Harris isn’t mid nor is he a bottom pairing dman. He was a rookie last season and put up great results. He’s going to be a sure fire top 4. Ylonen is going to be a bottom 6 guy, but he’s no slouch. 100% an nhler and he can provide good secondary scoring. He skates like Ehlers and has a good shot.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsSep. 12, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.
Thread: A more realistic Zegras trade see notes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>It contains 2 late 1sts an OHL defense prospect who's a huge PR problem, a small OHL forward prospect, a small defenseman who wouldn't make most NHL rosters and a pending RFA tough guy 3rd pair defenseman who's on IR. As I said the Ducks will want more quality and less quantity. The tough guy might be the most valuable of the Montreal players/prospects.</div></div>

2 really early 1st not late cause Habs aren't a playoff team even with Zegras. OHL D man?! I think you need to brush up on your CHL rules, Mailloux has aged out and will either make the NHL or develop more in the AHL, either way he is a quality prospect who has had issues in the past but I wouldn't throw stones if I was the team that drafted any of the 2018 WJC Canadian players who are potentially involved in that horrific crime (Comtois). Mesar may be small ish but he is still a first round pick with good potential. I don't know what D man you are calling small, (I would assume it was Harris) but he isn't really that small at 5'11" 190lbs he is a pretty solid D man and already top 4 on most teams and if he is too small I would hate to see what your view on Drysdale and Zellweger are cause they are both smaller than Harris. As for Xhekaj, he is currently on the IR but will be ready for training camp in less than 2 weeks. Think you need to brush up on you hockey knowledge before commenting back, thanks for playing, you lose!