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Forum: Armchair-GM8 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 8:13 p.m.
Thread: Marner to NYR with extension who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>Okay.

My take is that goaltenders generally speaking aren't getting paid like forwards, and defenseman aren't typically getting paid a ton either unless they produce offense. Most of the guys you are probably putting ahead of him are the remaining top Cs (Crosby, Barkov, etc,,,), and maybe Tkachuk and Kaprizov from the wingers that produced less, Makar on defense. So, even if you don't think he's a top 9 player, he is a top-9 producer and since what gets a player paid is offense, I wouldn't say he's not worth his cap hit.

In the 5, seasons since he signed his contract, he's 8th in points per game (Rantanen is 9th), and in the last 3 years he's tied for 7th with 2 other guys (Pastrnak and Rantanen). Right behind them are Tkachuk and Kaprisov. The only guys that have lower AAVs now than him are Tkachuk, Kucherov, Draisaitl, and Rantanen, and Kaprisov. The latter three will all get 11M+ more than likely, and Marner will get a big pay raise himself as well, but at 10.9M he's lived up to the cap hit. I doubt he'll live up to his next contract though but it is what it is.

I would say that in the last 3-years, Rantanen, Pastrnak, Marner, Tkachuk, and Kaprisov are all pretty close as players, they all just bring a different things to the table. Could probably lump in Panarin with them but he's at 1.29 vs Tkachuk and Kaprisov's 1.25, the other three are at 1.27.</div></div>

Point is third in the league in Goals Behind Mathews and pasta over the last 3 years plays center I'll take Point .
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 7:50 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 7:43 p.m.
Thread: Marner to NYR with extension who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>Endorsements don't apply to every player on the same team the same way, so it's not the same thing. Matthews' endorsements aren't the same as Marner's or Tavares' or Max Domi's. There are probably guys with no endorsements on the team. The tax applies to their income in the same way. Endorsements are also not all local either. So, there's no argument to be made for including endorsements when you want to say if a player is living up to his contract, you wouldn't even be able to do it. So, it's not having it both ways. You want to include all factors for a player signing a contract then you would include Crosby's superstition, how? If you say, well only monetary factors, it's clear that in Marner's case, endorsements were clearly a non-factor.

You said Marner is overpaid (meaning he's not worth his 10.9M cap hit), how did you come to that conclusion?</div></div>

By AAV he's the 9th highest paid player is he the 9th best in the league? No.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 4:57 p.m.
Thread: Marner to NYR with extension who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>I never said that Toronto doesn't try to pitch to free agents or players in general, that if they sign in Toronto, they'll have endorsement opportunities. No one is talking about incentives for the player to sign. Good weather could be an incentive for a player to sign. Marner's endorsement opportunities were not enough to make him sign for less, despite him being an RFA. All of that is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. <strong>I'm not saying to change how the cap hit works.</strong>

All I'm saying is if you want to compare two players' contracts or say a player is worth his contract or not, you're going to need to look at income (from the NHL contract) so that you can get a standard and compare. If you want to say "Cap hit is cap hit. Mr. X is not worth his cap hit, so he's not worth his contract" that's fair, but there's still an argument to be made for looking at income so that you standardize the numbers and compare. Otherwise, whose contract are you using as a standard?</div></div>

Endorsements are income because he's on said team just as tax breaks are so, doing an after tax comparison and adding endorsements is just garbage . Every location and team has their advantages and disadvantages . Take their cap hit period as a comparison giving a team like Toronto the advantage of not counting taxes against the cap while also not counting endorsements heavily favors all Canadian teams. Either you add all those factors or none. You don't get to have it both ways.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 4:28 p.m.
Thread: Marner to NYR with extension who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>How is not adding endorsements moronic?

1) If you added endorsements you can't even compare Point vs Kucherov unless you know how much each guy is making off of endorsements.

2) Endorsements are not part of the NHL contract. If want to say a guy is not worth his contract, you're not looking at his endorsements.</div></div>

If you don't think teams like say Toronto don't use endorsements as incentives to get players to sign and cheaper you'rea fool . Does it always work? No of course not . But Toronto is famous for it they even brought the CEO of Canadian Tire to the meeting they had with Stamkos last time to try to convince him and tell him how much he could make pimping 💩. So again you're in favor of making it advantageous for Canadian teams where the endorsements are far more readily available.