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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13 at 11:56 a.m.

Thread: Necas out

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ross_Johnston</b></div><div>Trying to use Newhook as a comparable but throwing in a little more because Necas is fresh off a better season.</div></div>

Newhook is a bad comp.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13 at 9:21 a.m.

Thread: Canes

That right side gets caved in, pass on signing Bertuzzi, pass on trading Necas for pieces that don't help now.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 12 at 3:56 a.m.

Thread: Necas

I can't imagine the Canes trade (in this case) 6 years of Necas for 1 year of Buchnevich, let alone throw in the better defensive prospect.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 12:50 a.m.

Thread: Necas for Matheson

LD is probably the last thing Carolina needs, they just keep Necas.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 12:48 a.m.

Thread: A team of Leafs players that were picks owned by the Leafs or were traded away

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>"Both picks were from the Marleau trade"

Holy crap. That's just bruuuutal.</div></div>

It's also false, Nikishin was from a pick Carolina got when they traded Skinner to Buffalo.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 10 at 3:48 p.m.

Thread: CAR and WPG get cap space

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Marcsnack</b></div><div>What are those "obvious reasons"?</div></div>

Probably not the reason the poster you're replying to is thinking, but the Canes save more against the cap by buying out Kotkaniemi than if they retain this much on him.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 10 at 12:44 p.m.

Thread: Leafs Cup Run 1st Round exit

Canes decline they are not moving Slavin.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 9 at 1:08 p.m.

Thread: vancouver

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>The_Rocket</b></div><div>maybe but i dont think that contract gets moved without either adding sweetners to it or taking salary back.

this reduces the commitment from 6 years to 2 years for carolina. its pretty obvious kotkaniemi is on the outside right now</div></div>

Then they buy him out with a cap penalty of 835k/year. The cap commitment for 6 or 2 years won't matter, the biggest cap crunch is this coming offseason - if they can get through it with KK on the roster (which I believe is the goal but may not ultimately be possible), then they would prefer to have him. As you pointed out above he is younger and a center, he still has a lot of time to turn it around.

To that end, he's still 23 so the 1/3 buyout is available next offseason as well. I could see a team taking him on with a late pick and trying to get him to work, to then buy him out next offseason for even less against the cap - again, only if the Canes are unable to keep everyone they want this summer.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 9 at 10:45 a.m.

Thread: Canes 2024-25

Necas?

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 9 at 10:43 a.m.

Thread: Trading mitch for rod

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MacanBayangan</b></div><div>yeah I like the trade for both parties and understand Rod is unlikely (although would be great from our perspective). Do you think there's a chance he won't be extended if you get swept by the rangers?</div></div>

I am doubtful that they get swept by the Rangers, but even then, an extension has reportedly been in place since the summer. Rod wait's to sign until all of the assistants are signed, and Dundon is in the business of making money - he's not going to can the coach who has made 6 straight playoffs after the team missed for a decade.

Rod is also pretty vocal about staying in Raleigh. I have my doubts that he would coach anywhere else even if he was fired.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 9 at 9:48 a.m.

Thread: GMDY

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mattyag9</b></div><div>What do you think would be a fair price?</div></div>

Based on previous winger comps, a late first and a good prospect. The thing is the Canes shouldn't move him for fair value. In this ACGM you've given him a 5x6.25 contract, and if that's what he signs Carolina will likely keep him. He fills a role (top 6 winger) and the Canes as a competing team need those more than picks/prospects. In the offseason the Canes biggest needs will be winger and RD, so if there were a comparable young and/or cost controlled player coming back they might move Necas.

I think it is more likely Necas is packaged with a pick for an upgrade than he is sold for pieces.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 9 at 9:38 a.m.

Thread: Trading mitch for rod

I could see that trade working but Rod will be the coach of the Canes next year.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 8 at 9:34 p.m.

Thread: vancouver

If the Canes move KK it'll be to clear cap, not to shuffle it to the wing.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 8 at 5:03 p.m.

Thread: What if the Sens didnt miss in those 2 years

If picking the best player available in the draft were easy I'd be an NHL GM... They could have taken Hayton or Zadina in 2018, or Kaliyev instead of Pinto in 2019... or Faber instead of Kleven in 2020 and McAvoy instead of Logan Brown in 2016. Most of the time, It's a crapshoot.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 8 at 4:52 p.m.

Thread: Movin on up

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>They have to re-sign 10 UFAs and some RFAs... No they don't have the money, at least not without letting other players walk</div></div>

Can you explain the thought process of why they wouldn't let those other players walk and keep Necas? Like, if they are keeping the other players and trading Necas, surely that means the other players are better. They are UFAs this year, so why not just sign them to the Habs? And if you want to trade for Necas because he is better, why would the Canes trade him in the first place?

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 8 at 2:44 p.m.

Thread: Habs

I've said my piece on Necas trades but at the risk of sounding like a broken record, what incentive is there for Carolina to make that trade? I'm sure that value wise, looking at comps, it's a fair trade - probably even an overpay. Why would Carolina take a fair trade value on Necas? A late first in a weak draft, an early/mid first in a stronger draft a year later, a 3rd pairing defenseman, and a player who won't crack the roster for 2+ years don't really help a team that is competing right now. What does help said team is a dynamic top6 forward, and that's what Necas is.

If Necas's next contract demands are outrageous or he wants to leave then the value will be significantly less than this, but for right now, operating on the assumption the Canes want to re-sign him, this trade does not interest the Canes.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 8 at 2:32 p.m.

Thread: Is this a fair trade Whats needs to be changed

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Habsfan76</b></div><div>Deangelo Pesce Skjei Jarvis Necas Guentzal Teravainen Martinook gonna cost like 40mil no way you can resign them all</div></div>

The most important on the list are Jarvis Necas and Guentzel. I'm not sure why Carolina would sign DeAngelo, Skjei, or Martinook before having the money for Necas. I could see the argument for Teravainen or Pesce, but at that point they have enough money to keep Necas anyway.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 7 at 10:15 a.m.

Thread: Lines tonight

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boos</b></div><div>Honest question, Cainiacs.

If the Canes go down in, say 5 or 6, is Rod the Bod toast in Carolina?</div></div>

Rod will have a job in Carolina as long as he wants to stay. He is the Hurricanes as much as any one person can be.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 7 at 12:48 a.m.

Thread: I can Dream

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dh91</b></div><div>Literally every team not named Toronto declines</div></div>

I mean Carolina thanks Treliving for the free 5th round pick and then re-signs Pesce on July 1st (if he is so inclined to come back).

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 6 at 9:15 p.m.

Thread: GMDY

Insane overpay for Necas, any one of those pieces is probably fair value, tho I'm not sure that Byram as a lefty would be much interest for the Canes.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 6 at 2:58 p.m.

Thread: Steady Steve is going to destroy this franchise

I like Chychrun, the value is fine, but the Canes should not being moving a first for a rental at a position of strength, particularly one that is at a not insignificant cap hit.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 5 at 12:13 a.m.

Thread: Offseason wo Cup

Minnesota and Pittsburgh decline. I would think Tampa declines because they don't have cap space but maybe they find a way to work it out.

In terms of UFA signings I would think Chatfield and Noesen get more, and hard pass on Sprong.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 3 at 10:36 p.m.

Thread: Next Year Read Description

If Necas signs a 5x5.25 he'll do so as a Cane, no reason to trade him. 1st is good but not really what the Canes need right now.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 3 at 4:08 p.m.

Thread: Need your thoughts - MTL NYI TBL CAR BOS NSH OTT Fans

We'll see how the rest of the playoffs play out but Kuznetsov could probably be had for free in the summer.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 3 at 3:33 p.m.

Thread: Tre vision

Canes decline.

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