Why is everyone sending our best LHD + our starting goalie + 1st round picks out the door for a pending UFA?

I'm begging you ALL. Stop it.

Jarry + Graves, no kicker, for Marner.

If it's any more than that, we're not interested.

I'd be willing to bet Ottawa is one of the teams on Reilly's no-trade list.

There is no way the pens give up that much for perimeter mitch.
Petterson is a stud and top shutdown D. So half retained he is worth a 1st and an A prospect. Jarry's value is hard to gauge but he is a starter in his prime signed reasonably for four more seasons. At worst his value is neutral and at best its probably a 1st with some cap coming back.
so why exactly would the pens basically pay five 1sts worth of value for one season of perimeter mitch ? that is absolutely horrific asset management

This is a hell no from the pens. In fact we wouldnt even do Pettersson straight up for Marner. We need Pettersson more. Like the guy said above, Jarry, Graves, and maybe a little more. But the pens arent moving 1st round picks or Yager, Pickering, Pettersson for Marner.

No.

Pens just don't have the assets for a Marner deal.

Dubas loves his ex players Acciari, Bunting is just the start

You'd be very stupid to not take this deal but that's cool with me. Makes it easier on our end, we wouldnt do it either.

2 mid round picks, an average goalie, and a top 4 left shot isn't enough for an elite right winger who's in his prime.

If I had a dollar for every ACGM where that was the only justification for a trade, instead of it actually being in the Pens' best interest, I'd be making more than Marner.

leafs pass. bad trade partners when it comes to marner

You just don't know Dubas Keefe is available now too

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attaching a 3rd doesn’t make a mid, overpaid player worth a 2nd. if the Pens are insistent on moving Smith without retention then they’ll be happy with a 3rd or 4th

This doesn't matter.

He has a full NMC and his a pending UFA with a MASSIVE cap hit.

The only teams kicking tires on him, are contenders or teams on the cusp of contending.

The Penguins traded an elite left winger, in his prime, at a much more manageable cap hit, and didn't get a top 4 D back.

The leafs need a goaltender and they need probably two top 4 D.

The penguins are not a fit for Marner, but if they were to make a trade, it's Jarry + Graves for Marner and no kicker.

Small point although I don't really care...Fleury just signed the one year extension in Minnesota saying it's going to be his last season, he doesn't care about retiring in Pittsburgh, he wants to retire in Minnesota

Mid round picks? Those are lottery picks as of now. We wouldnt even do MP28 straight up. Not to mention Marner is expiring and has a NMC which makes him even tougher to move. Look at what Jake got. Marner isnt THAT much better than Jake. He wont return even close to what the trade proposed here is.

Pens don't have the picks and prospects to go big game hunting. And Marner is big game this offseason. A lot of teams will try to trade for him. The only question is where does he want to play? It's going to come down to him, and that's why any return won't be big. But for the Leafs the best thing they can get would be the cap space. Graves and Jerry are bad contracts, they're not movable assets.

Since when was petterson only top four and not top two? since when are high 1sts now called "mid round picks" , and since when is the goalie tied for league lead in shutouts average?

Maybe he does love marner. But that doesn't mean he loves paying 3 times what marner is worth in a trade to acquire him?

Any trade involving Marner will be a sign and trade. Otherwise Leafs will probably just hold onto him and let him walk next year. And this is not a deadline deal, many teams will be in the equation so the return will be bigger than the Guentzel deal.

Jarry and greaves is basically the same value as a 4th

Get ready to retain big time then, or take on a cap dump. Very few teams are actually interested in taking on an 11M winger that's going to ask to be the highest paid player in the league in order to sign an extension.

Petterson is not a top 2 defenceman lol. And Pens are still competing for a cup and for a playoff spot so their future 1sts don't hold that much value. They'll probably be picking in the 13-20 range next year.

Weird because his metrics show he's top pairing. His usage is top pairing. And he would be the best D on the leafs.
I'm guessing you must be confusing him for someone else

Marner won't ask for more than 12 million, which is still a lot, but he's not demanding to be the highest paid player in the league. He's not that delusional.