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Forum: Armchair-GM2 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GM2 hours ago
Thread: Marner to NYR with extension who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>Endorsements don't apply to every player on the same team the same way, so it's not the same thing. Matthews' endorsements aren't the same as Marner's or Tavares' or Max Domi's. There are probably guys with no endorsements on the team. The tax applies to their income in the same way. Endorsements are also not all local either. So, there's no argument to be made for including endorsements when you want to say if a player is living up to his contract, you wouldn't even be able to do it. So, it's not having it both ways. You want to include all factors for a player signing a contract then you would include Crosby's superstition, how? If you say, well only monetary factors, it's clear that in Marner's case, endorsements were clearly a non-factor.

You said Marner is overpaid (meaning he's not worth his 10.9M cap hit), how did you come to that conclusion?</div></div>

By AAV he's the 9th highest paid player is he the 9th best in the league? No.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 hours ago
Thread: Marner to NYR with extension who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>I never said that Toronto doesn't try to pitch to free agents or players in general, that if they sign in Toronto, they'll have endorsement opportunities. No one is talking about incentives for the player to sign. Good weather could be an incentive for a player to sign. Marner's endorsement opportunities were not enough to make him sign for less, despite him being an RFA. All of that is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. <strong>I'm not saying to change how the cap hit works.</strong>

All I'm saying is if you want to compare two players' contracts or say a player is worth his contract or not, you're going to need to look at income (from the NHL contract) so that you can get a standard and compare. If you want to say "Cap hit is cap hit. Mr. X is not worth his cap hit, so he's not worth his contract" that's fair, but there's still an argument to be made for looking at income so that you standardize the numbers and compare. Otherwise, whose contract are you using as a standard?</div></div>

Endorsements are income because he's on said team just as tax breaks are so, doing an after tax comparison and adding endorsements is just garbage . Every location and team has their advantages and disadvantages . Take their cap hit period as a comparison giving a team like Toronto the advantage of not counting taxes against the cap while also not counting endorsements heavily favors all Canadian teams. Either you add all those factors or none. You don't get to have it both ways.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 hours ago
Thread: Marner to NYR with extension who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>How is not adding endorsements moronic?

1) If you added endorsements you can't even compare Point vs Kucherov unless you know how much each guy is making off of endorsements.

2) Endorsements are not part of the NHL contract. If want to say a guy is not worth his contract, you're not looking at his endorsements.</div></div>

If you don't think teams like say Toronto don't use endorsements as incentives to get players to sign and cheaper you'rea fool . Does it always work? No of course not . But Toronto is famous for it they even brought the CEO of Canadian Tire to the meeting they had with Stamkos last time to try to convince him and tell him how much he could make pimping 💩. So again you're in favor of making it advantageous for Canadian teams where the endorsements are far more readily available.
Forum: Armchair-GM6 hours ago
Thread: Marner to NYR with extension who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>If you're looking to compare cap hit vs the income players make from their salaries then it's not. A place like Anaheim has a high tax rate, but doesn't have the same endorsement opportunities as Toronto. If you're looking at all the low-tax states, the endorsement opportunities aren't all going to be the same. The most marketable players are going to get endorsements, wherever they play.

Would be difficult to compare players on the same team, let alone on different teams that have different opportunities and tax rates.</div></div>

So The Toronto, Montreal, etc get all the advantages by getting a cap break for tax purposes but not take a hit on endorsements ok<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>If you're looking to compare cap hit vs the income players make from their salaries then it's not. A place like Anaheim has a high tax rate, but doesn't have the same endorsement opportunities as Toronto. If you're looking at all the low-tax states, the endorsement opportunities aren't all going to be the same. The most marketable players are going to get endorsements, wherever they play.

Would be difficult to compare players on the same team, let alone on different teams that have different opportunities and tax rates.</div></div>

Ahhh so your all in on giving Canadian teams an advantage and F***everyone else. Gotcha assinine opinion
Forum: Armchair-GM6 hours ago
Thread: Marner to NYR with extension who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div><strong>What?</strong>

Whether Marner should have gotten paid so much as an RFA or what he'll make on his next contract does not change the fact that today, he's not overpaid at 10.9M. Maybe you just brought up Kucherov because of the kous' playmaking comment but the whole point of his response was to say that Marner is not currently overpaid.

You're absolutely right, that if he cared more about winning than lining his pockets he would have taken less.



Endorsements are a benefit of playing in certain markets and/or being marketable. It's a factor for free agents looking to sign somewhere or RFAs wanting to leave money on the table. The team isn't the one paying though in the end.</div></div>

Just as tax benefits are a benefit of playing in a certain market. If you count tax breaks against the cap because it unfair to certain teams you fairly must count endorsement potential against team too. Assinine take.