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Toronto Maple Leafs
Yesterday at 1:06 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>I wonder if Utah would trade Hayton for Liljegren?</div></div>
Liljegren has to have more value than that, to me anyway
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Fri. at 8:21 p.m.
Thread:
New head coach options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In STL towards the end many of the good players were underperforming, Binnington's attitude was becoming an issue along with his play, and Armstrong kept bringing in the wrong people to fill the team out. Look at what Blues fan said when he was fired. They believed it should have been Armstrong as he was the actual problem.
Berube will have Matthew and Nylander and if they aint moved Marner and JT to work with or in other words Berube will have better offensive weapons to work with here in TOR and once Brad revamps the Dcore will have a pretty good Dcore to also work with, get a proper starter and they are set. Team needs a proper work ethic as we saw it numerous times when momentum shifted they just failed to adapt or the big boyz didnt step it up. Getting called out more, benched, or having a tougher coach in general will help with that.
But basically sure he wont have a Pietrangelo to work with but the trade off is he has Auston Matthews</div></div>
I don't know man.
This roster will be alot more like the Blues roster after the cup then during the cup.
Be afraid with your hopes, I'm see the glass half empty more than half full.
My expectations were a Stanley cup bu now that Berube is hired, I'm thinking way lower.
I
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Fri. at 6:54 p.m.
Thread:
New head coach options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Disagree
Won a cup, has the perfect attitude to reign in these boyz and will call them out when they underperform, and his system should fit TOR very well as long as the boyz work hard
And for those who go Babcock won a cup sure but that man was also a Bully and borderline creepo lul</div></div>
Yes he won cup and may have a different attitude however that roster had #1 D in Pietrangelo, this team does not and nothing close
How did Blues do after he left and even ROR??
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Fri. at 6:51 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Berube is the new HC of Toronto
Im fine with it
And while people will point out some stuff like Babcock big diff is Berube aint a bully nor borderline creepo
Also apparently he may be bringing Savard with him</div></div>
I think Berube got what he wanted by putting the Leafs management in a vice grip.
Time will tell the truth
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Fri. at 6:26 p.m.
Thread:
New head coach options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Berube just signed a 4year deal with us so yea lul</div></div>
Don't like it.
Not the right man
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Fri. at 4:02 p.m.
Thread:
New head coach options
Who do you want???
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Fri. at 10:03 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Remember though things can change on the fly
MLSE may go to Tree and say hold your horses Brad we want Brind'Amour as now Canes are out and there were talks a team was willing to break the Babcock record per Kevin Weeks
That dont sound like something TOR would do with Berube does it.
Makes yah think
https://x.com/KevinWeekes/status/1785021212483027146
Like if Im TOR and I want to pry Brind'Amour from Canes thats one way to do it</div></div>
Berbue is not the guy 1000%
Give me Brind'amour, plz God.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Thu. at 7:04 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div><a href="https://twitter.com/GarretHohl/status/1785160810836423111?t=qJp0tl1K3f9nqU-4FruoRQ&s=19" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Seems like a decent bet</a>
<a href="https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/1734322007221653695?t=2ovfCIGMrkE4qOnmnGXafQ&s=19" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Seems like a really decent bet</a></div></div>
I hear you but we are quick look at jT after this be like, lost a step.
Coots hasn't played much due to injuries, has lots term on his deal and and his production is less than even half that of JT.
I like Coots, but taking pause before to consider all the potential downsides of adding him is a must.
And what is going to be cost to get him?
Especially since you expressed the idea of keeping Marner due to cowbell offers.
Is there cap to still revamp the D???
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Thu. at 5:47 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>I just had an idea so crazy, it might be genius.
Scenario: no one offers anything good for Mitch. We keep him.
Even if the lines are different in reg season, plan for a playoffs with Mitch in a defensive 3rd line role since that is how he tends to perform.
Find a centre good enough to play offensively, but also be used in a DFC role.
RoR was the guy, but he's a **** so our next option is...
Sean Couturier
Have Philly hold 2.75, even if we have to pay up for it and roll something like this:
1st: Matthews, Domi
2nd: Jt, Nylander
3rd: Holmberg, Coots, Marner
4th: Dewar, Kampf
Mo-
Benny-McCabe
Raifai-Timmins
Woll
Fill in the blanks with kids/signed players</div></div>
Do you think Coots, Couturier, is back to form now and worth his contract?<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>I think he has looked okay. I have Philly holding a large % of the deal for a reason though.
It's a bet. A crazy, crazy bet. But prior to injuries he was arguably a top 5 C. I think he could be worth 5 mil for us and play this role</div></div>
Agree he was top5 like C but where is he I that respect now
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Thu. at 4:53 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>I just had an idea so crazy, it might be genius.
Scenario: no one offers anything good for Mitch. We keep him.
Even if the lines are different in reg season, plan for a playoffs with Mitch in a defensive 3rd line role since that is how he tends to perform.
Find a centre good enough to play offensively, but also be used in a DFC role.
RoR was the guy, but he's a **** so our next option is...
Sean Couturier
Have Philly hold 2.75, even if we have to pay up for it and roll something like this:
1st: Matthews, Domi
2nd: Jt, Nylander
3rd: Holmberg, Coots, Marner
4th: Dewar, Kampf
Mo-
Benny-McCabe
Raifai-Timmins
Woll
Fill in the blanks with kids/signed players</div></div>
Do you think Coots, Couturier, is back to form now and worth his contract?
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Tue. at 7:17 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
I was listening to TSN 1050 Overdrive on my drive home today.
The conversation being had was about NHL player salaries.
Specifically why Marner makes 10.9 million VS Marchessault making 5 million, Verhaeghe making 4.1 million, and Konecny making 5.5 million.
Are these guys legitimate morons?
That's their cap hit and not the money they are taking home.
Why is the conversation always about cap hit and not about the money the players are taking home?
It reality Marner is taking home about the same amount of money as these guys after taxes.
Take home money is driving cap hit, not the other way around.
On another note Jeff O'Neil is ****ing idiot and should not be on radio OR TV to talk about hockey.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Tue. at 6:51 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Said it to the head of refereeings son</div></div>
Pure nepotism then
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Tue. at 5:43 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>3rd 5 gamer this playoffs.
2 5 game suspensions for Klaw
1 5 game suspension for Sim
Also had a 2 gamer for Boulton and Sammy O earlier in the playoffs
The league office does not like London, and we just don't give a ****
They'll both be back after game 4 (mem cup or a game 5, whichever depends on if we win in Oshawa tomorrow)</div></div>
The Sim suspension is beyond excessive.
Like wtf
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Tue. at 12:23 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>*Ahem*
How bout them Knights?</div></div>
Is it true Knights player suspension for 5 games?
Looks very Excessive.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Mon. at 2:15 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I feel Liligren's value is probs where Durzi's was or a tad less
Probs expect a pick from very late 30's to mid 40's. Gonna guess the 40 OA pick
A few guys have been underpaid here like Walker and Montour and I just cant see Bertuzzi sign that. Guy wants term and someone's gonna throw at least 5 at him.</div></div>
Possibly.
I wanted to a C that could play up if need be while still adding D improvements.
There is room for adjustments with a sacrifice if need be.
Marner for purely a goalie and cap space seems light though
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Mon. at 1:58 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
I played around with ACGM today.
Marner plus for Saros plus with retention
Liljegren for Sandin like package
Brought back Bertuzzi at 4.5 with term and Lybushkin at 2
Added Walker at 4 million and Montour at 6 million
Added Lindholm at 7 million, hoping Tre has inside track
Added Arvidsson for playmaking for 1 year only
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 13 at 12:12 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I would like to see the Leafs try to get Lindholm and Zadorov the FA tbh... Especially if the Leafs deal Marner
Both have been super impactful in the playoffs (Z: 9 GP 4G 3A 7P and Lindholm: 9 GP 5G 2A 7P)
I can see Zadorov getting 3-3.5 and Lindholm getting 5.5-6.5 on a 1 year prove it deal...
Assuming Marner gets traded... Wouldn't mind:
Bert (4.5) - Matthews - Domi (3)
McMann - JT - Willy
Knies - Lindholm (6.5) - Jarnkrok
Dewar (1) - Kampf - Holmberg
Rielly - Pesce (5.5)
Z (3.5) - McCabe
Benoit - Lilly (2.25)
Webber
Woll
Stolarz (2.2)
Hildeby
Cap space: 1.24 mill which covers if I'm undercutting, trying to overestimate my numbers but you never know</div></div>
But what is Marner getting traded for and to whom?
Have to think we are taking some salary back.<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I keep thinking Utah makes a ton of sense...
It's likely going to be a team with cap space, or a 3 way deal where the 3rd team takes some salary back tbh</div></div>
You still did not mention the return back
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 13 at 11:40 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I would like to see the Leafs try to get Lindholm and Zadorov the FA tbh... Especially if the Leafs deal Marner
Both have been super impactful in the playoffs (Z: 9 GP 4G 3A 7P and Lindholm: 9 GP 5G 2A 7P)
I can see Zadorov getting 3-3.5 and Lindholm getting 5.5-6.5 on a 1 year prove it deal...
Assuming Marner gets traded... Wouldn't mind:
Bert (4.5) - Matthews - Domi (3)
McMann - JT - Willy
Knies - Lindholm (6.5) - Jarnkrok
Dewar (1) - Kampf - Holmberg
Rielly - Pesce (5.5)
Z (3.5) - McCabe
Benoit - Lilly (2.25)
Webber
Woll
Stolarz (2.2)
Hildeby
Cap space: 1.24 mill which covers if I'm undercutting, trying to overestimate my numbers but you never know</div></div>
But what is Marner getting traded for and to whom?
Have to think we are taking some salary back.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 12 at 7:11 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>I'd at least talk to Lou and see where the organization stands with Sorokin because they also added Roy as the coach who chose to play the other guy.</div></div>
Regardless of playoff events like I said, Sorokin is their future.
Remind me again on Varlamov age please, 35+?
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 12 at 7:09 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Saros has done fine in the league despite his size. For a goalie that does not worry me its Dman to where its a concern
I do not care for cost at this point as TOR needs to get their goaltending straightened out
We have Woll whose injury prone and were expecting 40 games out of him next year, 0 idea what we have in Hildeby, and the UFA market sucks. Sure we can trade for Ullmark or sign Talbot but Brad said it best in that presser "we dont want to have the second best goalie in a series" Ullmark would be that vs. Swayman, Vasi, and Bobrosky.
Go invest in a legit starter.</div></div>
Do you agre we need a D with shot?
At least a threat, whose in your list for this?
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 12 at 6:56 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Sure Ullmark is better but why not just trade for an actual difference maker goalie like Saros or Sorokin via Marner?
As Tree put it why dont we have the better goalie in net vs. our opponent
Doans interesting but we have a very small sample size for him. What if next year he struggles.
TOR should be eyeing a trade similar to Tkachuck with emphasis on a starting goalie and top 4 RD thats what I would target</div></div>
Saros is fine but he will be costly in trade with little else included, plus his lack of size doesn't worry you?
Sorokin is a fantasy, Islanders trading him... I'll believe it when it happens regardless of the playoff events
I'm not stuck on Ullmark by any means, nor am I on Montour.
Roy I want, any thoughts on another D man with a shot? Yes we need this on the team cause Rielly don't have one.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 12 at 5:52 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>7 for Montour would be BRUTAL, imo. The guy has one crazy outlier season and honestly isn't much of a puck mover/creator despite his reputation. He's a volume chance guy, lots of low percentage stuff from him from what I've seen.
Would also be taking a hard pass on the Marner deal. No chance I trade him for a package centered around pretty much any goalie, let alone a 31y/o who's pretty much been a solid tandem guy for the vast majority of his career.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>So I have wanted Roy and stuff but those two contracts would hurt IMO
Then for Marner for Ullmark pass. That would not be a good trade for us as I dont see Ullmark being the answer. He's a nice goalie but I dont see him as the better of a matchup against Swayman, Vasilesky, Bobrosky, etc.
Dman I see Brad targeting this summer
Dillon
Demelo
Walker
But would also not be surprised to see Lybushkin or Edmundson return
If Marner's traded look at a Eichel deal or a Tkachuck deal. If were targeting a goalie go for Saros or Sorokin</div></div>
Do you not see any value in the cap space back along with Doan plus picks?
Ullmark at 2.5 million on 1 year is better than the free agent options
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Toronto Maple Leafs
May 12 at 2:05 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
Not interested in Zadarov, hes a hi-end 3rd pair to me that is luxury.
Not interested in Tanev, worried about the mileage on this guy.
Give me Roy at 6 and Montour at 7 for the D.
I have an idea on goalie, been afraid to say it out loud.
Hypothetically if Boston traded Ullmark to Utah, in a Marner trade...
Marner
Reaves
For
Doan
Ullmark at 50% retention
2nd rounder x2
Whose on board
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 10 at 12:18 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
So the press conference was whole of hot air for now??
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 5 at 1:18 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
I'm numb to this result.
This is now what happens year in year out.
Not surprised.
I almost had hope when it got to game 7 but brought back down to the ground .
Lack of scoring is the continuing playoff story, yet again.
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