Was fine with the press conference and the fact we have now heard

"everything's on the table" is good

Without directly saying it we got the message if they waive and are okay with it one or more of the core could be on the move

For the injuries yea I we knew some of them but the one to Woll highlights why Brad needs to go invest in a goalie

TSN 680 did a hypothetical trade involving Cole Caufield to the Leafs for Marner+1st...

I think that might be up for one of the worst trades possible from the Leafs perspective

I think Leafs management were surprised that Keefe took full responsibility for the losses.
So they all sort of took responsibility upon themselves, knowing that they were not going to be held to account. (at least not this year).
I think they are setting themselves up for a firing next years.

100 point pace for 4 years and a Selke finalist. Marner is not a mangled limb. That is entirely emotions.

Dubas said that several times. "Everything is on the table" is just empty words. Shanahan is staying and him and Treliving are in charge still. Mainly Shanahan.

Nothing is changing

Dubas only said once last years presser said along with some family sob story then made a power move and got fired. Every other year he defended and said were going with the core.


The fact Shanahan and Brad said all options are open together implies both are on the same page and not just the GM going okay maybe we need a change



As for nothing changing the thing is rn its out of their hands as all 4 guys got NMC lul

Even if they want changes to the core Marner or JT or both are gonna have to be fine waiving their NMC. Will they idk

But for sure they will probs put pressure on Marner to waive and go.

Nah they werent surprised. This is just the standard tactic of woops our bad. We saw it with Dubas for 3 years except it was the final year he finally was hinting at change maybe

Brad just got here lul why would they fire him. MLSE dont want to just waste money willy nilly

Shanahan's contract's done next year so its up in the air what happens there but if change happens in a good way and they get rid of one or two of the core and see more success bring him back

Even if both JT and Marner walk due to not being able to trade what can yah do. Sucks but you got a tonne of cap to work with

Never listen to those people

Remember Ritchie + Montour for Nylander lul

Leafs are not gonna trade with a divisional rival nor would MTL do it

MTL would absolutely do it

They get the, by far, better player and a 1st?

Yea no

Does MTL wants a guy whose gonna cost them 11.5-12.5m and a late 1st for someone younger and on a good contract?

Caufield is 23 and when you factor he aint even in his prime yet and the fact if he came to TOR he would have Matthews as his C

Spells recipe for disaster for MTL

Basically Marner being a pending UFA and the amount of money he wants is gonna hurt his value/ alot of the deals he could be involved in

As not many teams are gonna be thrilled to hand that money to a wing and after what we saw with Huberdeau its a warranted fear


Would not be surprised if the majority of offers for Marer gonna look like what Guentzel got which = not good

Of course they are on the same page. Shanahan's page. He fired Dubas for wanting to actually be the GM and picked the first yes man he saw. Shanahan is still the man in charge.

I doubt anything beyond the first brand name coach available is done.

That's the most irresponsible roster management I have heard in this thread. Letting them walk for nothing is the worst idea. And why would JT walk? Why does anyone want to trade him? He doesn't lack passion, he was doing all he can but he's not an 11 million dollar player anymore. We knew this was likely the case by this stage of his career. He'll resign for a major pay cut and all will be fine.

Thinking you HAVE to trade 2 of the core to effect change is stupid. A new coach and system will have a much bigger effect than alienating the team by trying to force the captain and multiple time leading scorer out the door.

The temper tantrums from some Leaf fans is silly.

Marner will be traded it none of the core is moving.

They may have 0 choice lul

If Marner or JT wont waive then in order for change to happen thats the only option lul

They shouldnt be extended as were just repeating the mess they were in for 8 soon 9 years


Farris is Marner's agent and has a habit of this walking his clients to Free agency vs a trade before their deals done. That is unless teams out of contention by TDL

As for why you let JT walk he's past his prime, old, and these playoffs highlighted he's not it anymore, is slow, and not needed in the future. 1 PP goal ew

Go younger and use the cap elsewhere. As unless he signs a Spezza deal pass as if this is the start of the slide want nothing to do with it.

Dubas wanted to have full autonomy aka wanted a similar job to Pitt basically he's both the President/GM. Nothing to do with being full on GM lul. As Dubas was already being allowed to make a good chunk of moves both good and bad via Shanahan or MLSE's permission

And as we saw very bad move to not have someone to control the trades

Trades for EK and then gets robbed in the Guentzel trade

As we saw this presser Shanahan and not just the GM now are open to change involving the core things gonna get interesting. As basically all cards are on the table now

Before both wanted to keep the guys now things have shifted.

Marner trades gonna be heavily explored thats for sure along with a potential JT trade this summer

Look even what Shanahan said

https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1788951654928109630?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

How does Matthews and Willy react to a strong arming of JT and Marner? You think they are going to be happy with their deals after Management goes nuclear to appease fickle fans?

And the thought that you can make the team better easily by losing world class talent and replacing with FA's has been proven wrong many many times.

That's some revisionist history right there. He wanted to streamline the decision making process and didn't want to have Shanahan's approval for everything. It was also said that Shanahan vetoed some moves and forced others on Dubas.

You think after Dubas asked for autonomy and was fired that Shanahan changed his ways? Why wouldn't he just keep Dubas if that was the case? No chance Treliving has final say it's all Shanahan.

Useless in the playoffs

Would not say useless more spiritic

Like his style is not meant to be a core guy for a playoff team

Its like Kessel here vs. Pitt

Matthews and Willy can vent frustration but its the nature of the business

8 years and 1 playoff win not acceptable. Another team would have moved one or two of those 4 sooner

Its time to go nuclear as the core has not worked. We have trimmed around the edges enough its time to hit the dart at the center aka the core

Marner out this summer in a trade hopefully then let JT walk next summer and you start with the new era

The three stooges (liars) at the press conference today.
How can Shanahan who has been Leaf president for 10 years.....blame Keefe and others. He's been behind the coaching hires (especially Babcock,) all the GM hirings. He's allowed the Leafs to trade away so many picks, including up to 2026...three drafts away, for what ONE playoff round win. Just shameful on Shanahan's part blaming others as he collects his large cheque....for what.

Trevling another bozo. Last summer he said the Leafs are going to change their defence. Well his one change last summer was signing Klingberg.
Kinda funny how the core four was "criticized" but Trevling signed Nylander to an eight year extension at 11.5m. Now Nylander may be worth it, though I don't think any other team would have offered more
Seems like Nylander got a "hometown premium" which was so prevalent in the Dubas and Shanahan era.

I'll cut Pelley a little slack since he new to his position. But I wouldn't trust Shanahan and Trevling in matters of hockey personnel evaluations.

Leafs will probably be no better in 24/25....but let's a competent GM can spend the cap with the departure Tavares and Marner wisely in the summer of 2025

I cant really look at Brad as he barely had time to assess the team when he got here and was thrust into the fire

He did though past the TDL and through the season did make things better suited for playoffs via his additions.

Edmundson, Benoit, Lybushkin all held their own vs. BOS and in terms of the physical factor were good and honestly we could have used Klingberg for the playoffs as maybe he would have got some goals, helped the PP, and moved the puck a bit better lul

This summer should be keep the physicality but improve puck movement to. Edmundson and Lybushkin were fine and I would have no issue bringing either back but would need to also add someone's like Roy, Demelo, Montour, or Walker to balance it out


He saw what was needed and went and got guys like Bertuzzi, Domi, etc. To bad the big boyz but Willy forgot what scoring was and thats something that no matter the issue if they arent going team goes no where.


Willy being signed is not an issue as he's the only one to actually show up come playoffs where in 4 games he put up 3 goals better than Matthews, Marner, JT combined. The one headache signing him for 1.5m more than what he asked for back in the summer but team just couldnt say yes. Willy at 10m x 8 years would have been a holy **** moment thats for sure

Emotional

Watching FLA score on Swayman by more than 2 goals TWICE

Looks at big 4

What we even paying yall for (except Willy)

Letting Marner

I agree with most of this apart from letting Marner and JT walk for nothing. That's just poor management

What bothers me about Shanahan is...when Dubas was still here and supposedly wanted to make a big change in the core 4, Shanahan didn't let him but a year later he's maybe ready for a big change to the core 4? Was the last 3-4 years not enough to come to that conclusion?

As for Treliving, I'm cutting him some slack because I feel the GM change happened so late that by the time Treliving took over he was already behind on contract talks with Leafs players and also evaluating and going after players in free agency. In order for Treliving to have had a fair shot at even a decent off season (nevermind a good off season), he needed to be in place by the TDL.

I'm still not convinced that the core guys (Matthews and Nylander) have or will figure out how to adapt to playoff hockey. Marner is the guy of the 3 that has and probably will struggle the most because of how officiating standards change from regular season to playoffs.