My Preferred Offseason Moves

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don't really get why san jose would be looking to add. i think best case scenario for them is that celebrini goes back to BU for another year, and they can tank again.

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May 15 at 3:18 p.m.

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Quoting: SharkTank

They're 2-3 year deals. If you want solid UFAs than yes you'll need to overpay, which the Sharks can very easily afford to do the next 3 years. You get into the low 6/high 5 range and someone else is picking up Domi.

Even if Couture somehow came back, they're still about 7 mil under the cap. Burns retention off the books next year, then Vlasic is gone the next year, then EK65 and Jones money is off the books

For Detroit they signed Copp to 5 years, Compher to 5 years, Chiarot to 4 years + other Vets like Maatta, Holl, & Petry who are just taking up roster spots. I'm not proposing they go out and get 7 new players, I'm looking at 3 who can really help. Plus Domi, Stephenson and DeMelo are all better than all those players.

Also Detroit has progressively gotten better and better and it's not like they've needed to let anyone go to free agency because they're cap strapped.

May 15 at 3:19 p.m.

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Hahaha. Red Wings cap hit was 1m more than the Sharks. Red Wings 80m vs Sharks 79m. And the Red Wings roster is exceptionally better for that extra 1m. Red Wings are 5 years ahead of them in terms of developing prospects. Wings young players are now hitting their strides and were one goal away from playoffs this year. Meanwhile, the Sharks, after 5 years of no playoffs are still bottom feeders and picking up the Red Wings scraps in Zadina and Smith. Merkley is a bust. Weisblatt is a bust. San Jose sold off all their valuable vets for scraps. You only got a 4th liner, an AHL goalie and a 3rd for Brent Burns...and you retained 2.7m in salary to do it. Hilarious.

May 15 at 3:22 p.m.

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Quoting: sharksdoee

Not sure taking on Palat and giving up Bords is worth it to move up 4 spots.

Again that's in the scenario where one of Parekh, Buium, or Yakemchuk are still available there, in which case I think it would be a slight overpay but well worth it. I just think Smith, Bystedt, Celebrini, Edstrom project as better fits at Center. And Eklund, Gushchin, and Musty look better fits as future LWs

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May 15 at 3:25 p.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

don't really get why san jose would be looking to add. i think best case scenario for them is that celebrini goes back to BU for another year, and they can tank again.

Because they have the prospects now. There's no need to create that culture of losing. That's how you end up like Buffalo and Ottawa where they're perpetually rebuilding.

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May 15 at 3:27 p.m.

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Edited May 15 at 3:44 p.m.

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How about a signed Hronek for the PIT 1st (14th overall)?

He'd be a big upgrade on the blue line to help transition the young team back to playoff contention.

I think that's a bit much to give up for him tbh. He's never had THIS good a year. I'd do the 33rd overall pick for him though. I do really like him and Durzi as RHD trade targets but I'm not crazy about giving up assets for them

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May 15 at 3:30 p.m.

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Quoting: AStovetop

Because they have the prospects now. There's no need to create that culture of losing. That's how you end up like Buffalo and Ottawa where they're perpetually rebuilding.

they still need a LOT more.

May 15 at 3:37 p.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

they still need a LOT more.

That's just not true. Halttunen our 6-7th best forward prospect (factoring in Celebrini) in our system just had back to back hattricks and has the most OHL playoff goals since 1993 I believe it was. Cagnoni had the most points by a D-man in the WHL since 1991. Musty was nearly 2 points per game. Smith had one of the best NCAA freshman seasons of all time. That's just our 2023 picks.

They signed the best NCAA free agent prospect in Graf. They have the 14th overall pick in addition to #1 this year + 33rd overall and 42nd overall. Next year they have their own and VGKs unprotected picks. Gushchin, Shakir, Thrun, Cardwell, Rimashevsky, Edstrom, Bystedt. These guys would be top 5 in most other prospect pools.

May 15 at 3:38 p.m.

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Quoting: AStovetop

prospects usually don't pan out. san jose needs a LOT more.

May 15 at 3:43 p.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

prospects usually don't pan out. san jose needs a LOT more.

They could hit on literally 30% of them and still have an elite team. Also why I created a team with very solid UFA vets.

Saying the best prospect pool in the NHL isn't enough is just you projecting because Boston has a bottom five prospect pool and a very old NHL team

May 15 at 3:45 p.m.

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Quoting: AStovetop

Fair, those D would be a great get. Palat alone should be enough, I've liked enough what I've seen from Bords so far and he should be M6 next year assuming Musty isn't ready. Some chance to build his trade value or solidify his spot over Gush.
Depending on how this and the next 2 drafts go I can see Smith move to RW.

May 15 at 3:47 p.m.

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Quoting: AStovetop

oh good - right on schedule for randomly lashing out.

the top prospect pool in the league is great, but the roster is horrific. it's not enough. san jose needs another top five pick to use on a big time D man.

May 15 at 4:06 p.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

Lol You're dying on a hill that you're objectively wrong about that I explained in great detail why and how you're wrong. You're saying the same thing over and over trying to dunk on this team so I'm giving it back.

The team I have above is pretty damn decent. Not a playoff team likely, but a HUGE step up. And I also explained that the trading up to #10 was to get that #1 D that you're referring to.

May 15 at 4:11 p.m.

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Quoting: sharksdoee

I agree, I'm overestimating cost to sign Free Agents and trades, other wise you get a lot of push back on these lol

And yeah I think Smith is more likely to be a RW at least to start in the NHL. But I think a vet 2C would make the most sense. I'd be very happy to keep Granlund a few more years.

May 15 at 4:12 p.m.

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Quoting: AStovetop

1. prospect ranking/rating is inherently subjective. calling that objective is the height of stupidity.
2. drafting a #1 D man at 10 is a very tall order. it's not impossible, sometimes they go later, but it's not like you can just say, "#10 pick, #1 dman...done."

May 15 at 4:25 p.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

Damn dude, why are you so tilted over something you know nothing about. you clearly don't know how good the Sharks prospect pool is yet you're trying so hard to say it's bad.

I listed the three d-men that DO project to be first pairing d-men. This is a very good defensive draft in the top 12-15. Buium, Yakemchuk and Parekh are those guys and that was the basis of that trade lmao.

May 15 at 4:27 p.m.

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Quoting: AStovetop

you new to how the NHL draft works? guys are projected as something, and they rarely pan out. that's just how it works. Ryan Merkley projected pretty highly. how did that work out? every NHL team has hundreds of stories like that.

while we're asking questions, why do you think prospect ratings are objective?

May 15 at 4:32 p.m.

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I hate these moves ngl, paying just to pay is a terrible idea.

keep bords, try to see if he shows his upside this year, play gush for the same reason, not giving our prospects a chance by having UFAs in the way is just a terrible idea. See our issue with the d log jam

I understand you have to sign a few vets to surround the youth with, but not this aggressive. Maybe Stephenson id be fine with if Celebrini and Smith stay in college.

May 15 at 4:36 p.m.

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Quoting: Spaceman

Yeah we made the playoffs 3 years after you guys, of course our rebuild is behind yours. We had a GM in denial for 3 years after that as well.

Also since you want to talk big, sick March and April you guys had to keep your streak going. Clearly your rebuild is going perfectly to plan.

May 15 at 4:38 p.m.

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The stray redwings shot is crazy

May 15 at 4:42 p.m.

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