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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20 at 7:38 p.m.
Thread: Major Shakeup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>norris voters view him as a top five blue liner - missed a good chunk of the season last year, but was top five the two previous years. FYI sergachev has gotten one fourth place vote in his entire career, and Pietrangelo hasn't gotten any since before we knew about covid.</div></div>

Pietrangelo won the cup as the #1 defenseman on 2 different teams.... The Blues Cup? He led the Blues from the basement to the penthouse. Sergachev had a 64 point season last year, overtook Hedman who has multiple Norris Torophies as the top minute munching defenseman. He was hurt most of this season but he is scary good, him not being himself is Tampa's biggest issue for why they can't find their groove. Hedman is slowing down. Still elite, but can't do it himself anymore.

Pietrangelo gets elite status because he dioes what McAvoy does, just does it better. Hence why he can win the cup on multiple teams. I mean look at Montour? Guy had 64 points last season plays the RD side... His defense is very good, his offense is better than McAvoy's. Look at previous Cup winners..... They all have who I say are elite defenseman.

Col with Makar....He's elite but doesn't hit anyone for the most part. McAvoy hits but nowehere close to the offense Makar brings.
TB - Hedman again doesn't play all that physical but he gets it done. More than one occasion
Washington - John Carlsson another Norris Trophy winner... scores a ton of points, plays physical.... makes $8M a year. Compared to McAvoy's $9.5M
Pit - Kris Letang, another elite level scoring defenseman. Doesn't play physical, but he's the top defenseman on a cup winning team.

Boston your team when they won the cup? You had Zdeno Chara... A Norris Trophy winner.... McAvoy is no Zdeno Chara, and Chara won on his 2-way game both the cup and the Norris. Again McAvoy is not even close to his league. Montour has 8pts in 11 games. McAvoy 6 points in 13 games. Point is.....This is what it really comes down to....Elite? is when the game is on the line and that guy has to be the difference? McAvoy is not him. Pastrnak gets $11.2M Because he was the difference when the game mattered asgainst the Leafs. Marner? Is being killed because he wasn't a difference maker. Marner racks up a ton of points. Will he be remembered as elite? Matthews? 3rd place in Selke Trophy voting.... $12.5M.... Matthews was great in Game 6.... That's it. McAvoy is simply a strong 2-way defenseman and there are a ton of them. Boston fans just seem to think he's worth more than everyone else. Just like Bruins fans see Rielly as overrated but Leaf fans think he's great because he scores points.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20 at 7:21 p.m.
Thread: 2024-25 v4
Ottawa passes on this big time. $9.5M for a guy that does everything well, nothing at an elite level. Tkachuk is the game's premiere power forward. The closest compareable to Tkachuk would be Tom Wilson... The disparity between Tkachuk and Tom Wilson is miles apart. Tkachuk is a rare breed that can hit 80 points, finish in the top 5 in hits, fights, PIM's.... Think Eric Lindross, Keith Tkachuk, Cam Neely.

McAvoy? 12G as a defenseman? He's not elite.... outside of Vegas? You have to have a dominant defenseman. Vegas won their cup because they had two guys similar to McAvoy... Pietrangelo and Theodore.

2022 - Makar (Norris)
2021 - Hedman (Norris)
2020 - Hedman (Norris)
2019 - Pietrangelo &amp; Parayko (2 McAvoy types)
2018 - John Carlson (Norris)
2017 - Letang
2016 - Letang
2015 - Keith (Norris)

See the pattern? When Boston won the cup? There was Chara.... That is what an elite 2-way defenseman is. McAvoy is not Zdeno Chara or anywhere compareable. Not to mention he won the Norris Trophy.... McAvoy will never win a Norris Trophy. He's not as valuable as Bruins fans like to think. He's not worth $9.5M. Wow to think peoiple really think this guy is better than Pietrangelo who won two cups on two different teams as the top defenseman on both those teams and McAvoy can't get out of the 2nd round.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20 at 6:59 p.m.
Thread: Major Shakeup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>when you're posting stuff like this, i wouldn't call anyone an idiot. this is one of the dumber things that i've ever read.</div></div>

Dude, you need to watch more hockey outside of Boston games.... McAvoy is not an elite defenseman. and yes if you're going to only take into account Brady's offense and overlook the fact that he is always among league leaders in hits, fights, shots on goal, etc.... then don't consider McAvoy elite because he does those things as a defenseman. You remove the physicality from the two of them? Tkachuk is a point per game winger despite his 100 PIM's.... McAvoy without the physicality is nothing more than an average offensive defenseman. Those are juyst the facts. McAvoy making $9.5M is brutal!!!! He's nbot a game breaker, when the game needs to be decided? I am not picking McAvoy over Makar, Karlsson, Hughes, Hedman, Sergachev, etc.... When you make $9.5M you7 are expected to be the guy that can win you the game when the going gets tough. If you honestly believe he is that guy? You do not know hockey plain and simple.

Here I'll put it into context for you.... why is Pasta being paid $11.25M? It's because generally speaking he's the guy that has to make the difference between his team winning and losing. Pasta scored the series clinching goal against the Leafs. Why is Marner being crucified in Toronto? It's because he's making just as much money against the cap and did very little. McAvoy is not a game breaker. He's just a solid rugged defenseman that is grossly overpaid....
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20 at 6:50 p.m.
Thread: Major Shakeup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>Well to play devils advocate if you took the physicality away from Brady’s game what does that make him….

McAvoy is an elite 2 way dman. One of the 5 best dmen in the whole league</div></div>

He's not even top 10 in the league..... To find what McAvoy does? There are a ton of guys in the league that can do it. The guys like Makar, Hughes, etc.... They get paid big dollars because scoring goals is how you win the game. The elite defenseman are guys like Makar, Hughes, etc.... McAvoy is not among that tier of player. He's in with the Morgan Rielly, Chabot, Theodore, Weegar, Ekblad... He's in their tier, but not as good as some of those defenseman. At $9.5M???? Hell no.... Ekblad ($7.5M), Theodore (<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>Well to play devils advocate if you took the physicality away from Brady’s game what does that make him….

McAvoy is an elite 2 way dman. One of the 5 best dmen in the whole league</div></div>

McAvoy is not an elite defenseman.... He's a Tier 2 defenseman..... Good defenseman don't get me wrong, but he's not in the conversation of guys like Makar, Hughes, Karlsson, Josi, Dahlin.... etc....

He's more in the category of guys like Rielly, Chabot, Theodore, Ekblad, etc..... He's in the category of guys like Seth Jones, Darnell Nurse.... guys who play top minutes on their teams because he's the best they have.... but severely overpaid.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20 at 6:42 p.m.
Thread: Major Shakeup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>Well to play devils advocate if you took the physicality away from Brady’s game what does that make him….

McAvoy is an elite 2 way dman. One of the 5 best dmen in the whole league</div></div>

Brady is basically a 35-40 goal scorer hanging around 80 points a season. McAvoy is basically a 45-50 point defenseman if we are removing the physicality element from the two of them. Tkachuk however fights with anyone in the league, McAvoy does not. MKcAvoy makes $9.5M... John Carlson plays a similar style game, records about the same amount of points, and makes $8M a season.

Pietrangelo this season not permitting is a 50 point defenseman only he's a top pairing defenseman on both the Blues and Vegas who won Stanley Cups. There really isn't many players to compare Brady to because there just aren't players like Brady in the league. Tom Wilson is the closest player to him and Brady scores more goals, points, hits, and fights than Wilson does.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20 at 6:34 p.m.
Thread: Marner Must Go
LMAO You have to be out of your mind if you tghink you're getting ANYWHERE close to that for Marner....Timmons and Holmberg are cap dumps.... lol Listen.... Marner will only waive for a couple of teams dep[ending on the situation. I will explain why. He's only got 5 teams he's likely going to waive for....

1) Ana &amp; SJ.....Only if they have a contract ready for him before he plays a single game for them. No way he risks a poor season to hgurt the most important contract of his career.
2) Ott, Det, Pit.... Ott because he would probably like the idea of playing with Stutzle and Tkachuk and it's close to Toronto where he says he wants to stay close. Det befcsuse again close to Toronto and maybe DeBrincat can be that goal scorer for him. Pittsburgh well because he gets to play for Dubas, and the idea of playing on a line with Crosby would appeal to anyone.

Outside of those teams? Unless they're willing to pay him $12M right now? He's not waiving for them. Other GM's know this, those same GM's know the prospect of bringing Marner to training camp is impossible. The distraction it would cause in that market would be hell and would derail the Leafs season before it even begins. Then at the end of it, Marner walks for nothing. Could you imagine what that would mean for Shanahan and Treliving? GM's aren't about being nice.... They know the boot is on Toronto's throat so "FAIR" doesn't exist in any deal for Marner. TRhe only leverage they might have is in the amnount of retention. The more they retain the package will get slightly better. But the Leafs can't afford to retain much so they have to be willing to get very little back for him and hope with whatever cap sapce they do create after retention and paying for his replacement, they can put towards the rest of the roster.

There will be no 1st rounders or top end prospects going back, definitely not a player like Tkachuk. Chychrun? possibly because everyone knows Ottawa needs to get rid of Chychrun as well. So a straight up trade of Chychrun for Marner would be a good start....but if that's the best piece you're going to get for Marner, Ottawa will likely need Toronto to retain at least $3M or so.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20 at 5:34 p.m.
Thread: Major Shakeup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dekes</b></div><div>Mcavoy finished top 5 in voting 3 of the last 5 season?

Mcavoy is one of the best 2 way dmen in the league, ya you know what he doesn’t put up 90+ points which is the minimum requirement to win a Norris(offensive dman of the year award) now but there is very few that have the all around abilities he does.

Go ahead have karlsson instead if you think he’s better we saw what ottawas soft ass defence gets them and karlsson ain’t gonna improve that.</div></div>

As for Karlsson... He's gone to the Conference Finals more than McAvoy has during McAvoy's career. He single handedly crushed your Bruyinbs in the playoffs.... Do you not remember that ally-oop pass to Hoffman? Now everyone tries it.... Do remember that Karlsson is who made that pass popular now.... McAvoy? Nothing great about him, nothing horrible about him..... He belongs in the tier along with guys like Chabot, Rielly, Morrisey, Trouba..... He's not even close to one of the game's elite defenseman..... You must not watch much hockey outside of Boston games
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20 at 5:16 p.m.
Thread: Try to stay relevant
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capfriendlysens88777</b></div><div>I’m a sens fan and I’d do it… it’s like pick 40 and a 4th for what would be their #1 goalie at just 2.75 or Wtv he makes and then Holmstrom who had 15-10-25 as a third liner</div></div>

Varlamov will be 37 years old with 2 years left on his deal at $2.75M. Ottawa would be getting older, and if Varlamov craps the bed that will be 2 goaltenders we can't move. Factor in Ottawa's prospect cupboard is completely diminished, they canh't afford to be giving a 2nd round pick for a 37 year old goalie with term. Holmstrom had one okay year and will be wanting $2M on his next contract. Ottawa doesn't need 3rd and 4th liners. Once Pinto is signed, or 3rd and 4th lines will likely look like this;

Greig - Pinto - Joseph
Crookshank - Kastelik - UFA (cheap PK player) or they re-sign Katchouk for league minimum. If the Isles wanted to trade Varlamov for Forsberg and a 4th? That could work
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 16 at 3:02 a.m.
Thread: Bringing the US to Ottawa
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>StutzlesNumber1Fan</b></div><div>This wasn't meant to be realistic, it's just a fun little idea to bring in USA players to keep Brady happy.

Zegras was injured last year but he's already back playing with Team USA right now so obviously he's good to go. Our whole core in this case is like 24 years old, we're not as desperate for prospects as people seem, it's just ours blossomed quickly and made the team like Pinto, Ridly, Sanderson etc. We still have 3 picks in the top 40 and snagged Connelly, Emery and Surin who are all better prospects than Kleven/Jarventie imo so our prospect pool still gets a nice little injection of talent. Connelly and Surin would replace Joseph and Giroux, and Emery would replace one of the righties.

Salary cap is raising a lot too every season it seems like so I don't see why we wouldn't be able to afford to fit players etc.</div></div>

Part of it would be because it's hard for Ottawa to attract top players. Plus cap rising or not, just means players ask for a bit more of the pie. You need guys really contributing on ELC's in order to compete. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in Z.... But the 7th overall pick would just be overkill.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 16 at 2:22 a.m.
Thread: Big Shift 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JZ_DAL</b></div><div>Robertson - Stützle - Marner
Tkachuk - Pinto - Giroux
Kaliyev - Greig - Batherson
Joseph - Jankowski - Clutterbuck

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Whitecloud
Kleven - Chatfield

Korpisalo/Sogaard

OTT: Marner (10x8) &amp; Robertson
TOR: Chychrun &amp; BOS 1st OR OTT 2nd

that’s what the deal would be, that’s fair, TOR definitely isn’t looking to move McCabe if they’re tryna compete still

I also don’t think Norris will be out all year, I’d use him in a trade as a piece to get Ullmark or Saros, Korpisalo goes to another team, you need to add obviously, I also wonder how Korpisalo would do with this new D core</div></div>

I do think Norris will be out all season. This is his 3rd surgery in 4 years!!! I think he takes the whole year to properly rehab and build the strength. If that shoulder goes on him again? His career is done 100%. People need to get away from a Marner trade being relatively fair. The tradegrounds are not on a level playing field for the deal to be fair. Why do people think like this? GM 's are ruthless.... In any deal for Marner? It starts with say Ottawa in this case.....with their boot on Toronto's throat.

1) If Toronto is dealing with Ottawa....or any particular team? It's because they are one of maybe two teams the Leafs are allowed to deal with.
2) Marner has a full NMC so there is no going somewhere else if they don't like Ottawa's offer.
3) Yes Chychrun had a down year and everyone knows Ottawa is going to move him....But Ottawa isn't dealing with a NMC. Think Ottawa fans.... Do you think Staios found a 3rd and 4th rounder fair for Tank?
4) Marner is not a playoff player, with 7 post seasons of average production at best. $11M for a player that helps you get to the playoffs? Teams will say we can find cheaper.
5) Marner in the 2nd half was seperated from Matthews.... He didn't fare to well. Every other GM knows their team doesn't have a guy wgo scored 69 goals. $12M is a steep ask for a player that might not be able to produce 90 points without such a scorer on his line.

Lastly.....Sens fans??? FAIR???? Imagine the Erik Karklsson trade? How good does that deal look if SJ didn;t **** the bed in 2020? Norris would've been the only decent piece left. Does anyone in their right minds think Marner today is as valuable as Karlsson was when we moved him to SJ? Not a chance... a RHD with 2 Norris Trophies to his name? So think how does Marner with a full NMC get more than what Ottawa got for Karlsson? Leverage is key and Toronto has absolutely none.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 16 at 2:02 a.m.
Thread: next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DanielSan92</b></div><div>"I did take Detroit's situation into consideration." Yet you've been told multiple times that Detroit doesn't need any more LHD lol.

And then you want them to cripple their future center depth for a top 4 LHD <em>that they don't need.</em></div></div>

Okay.... one last time.... IF THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE A DEAL FOR CHYCHRUN... IF!!!!! THEY!!!!! WERE!!! GOING!!!! TO!!! DO!!! IT!!! I never said they were!!!! But if Detroit was going to do it, they don't agree with you, they for some reason believe they need to upgrade their LD position for whatever frigging reason!!!! It makes more sense for Detroit to trade a center!!!! not a winger. Up the middle, Detroit has Larkin, JT Compher, &amp; Copp for 4 years!!!! They aren't senior citizens.... Detroit because they gave these contracts have to think they plan on moving forward with these guys. Future? Detroit has Danielsson, Kaspar, and Theodor Niederbach... who will be a solid 2nd line center, Wings fans will love the guy. However.....On the wings? You have Berggren and Mazur and Berggren. Berggren is 23 and has had trouble staying with the Wings, which leaves Mazur as the only winger prospect the Wings have. So I said..... It makes more sense....IF!!!!!!! The Wings were going to do it even if they don't.... I'm saying if you were going to make the trade like the poster did.... It makes more sense for the Wings to move on from a center than a prospect winger because they are so much deeper down the middle both at the NHL level and in the prospect system. Do you understand?????