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Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 12:40 p.m.
Thread: Crazy Summer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Once again, an utter failure to appreciate the value of term. Konecny isn't "a top-20 RW in the league in his 20's," he's a rental. Two Junes from now, we could offer him a reasonable deal and Konecny could decide to take the very same compensation somewhere else because he'd prefer to play for that team, and we'd have nothing but one season of him. Bonk is indeed a nice prospect and I've accepted him in other Flyer offers for Zegras, but Frost seems an odd inclusion if you're trying to "solve [Philly's] issues down the middle." (By the way, Anaheim's plan is to use Zegras at LW from now on, deploying him in the center only when required by injury.)


Our ask is Foerster and the Philly first, not Foerster in place of Frost in the offer presented here.</div></div>

Agree and disagree with parts of this.

I didn't include it in the trade so it's fair for you to assume otherwise, but I feel like it'd be implied that some sort of an extension would be in place for a trade like this. Saying he " isn't a top-20 RW in the league in his 20's" isn't accurate, he flat out is. You're right to say that 1 season of him isn't worth it at all, but in this scenario I'd think he'd be a long term piece. On the flip side, I don't really agree with the idea that "we can just sign him in FA if we want him". Everybody always says this, then guys like that seldom to never make it to free agency.

As far as the Frost part goes, there's 2 parts to it:

1) For whatever reason, he is Tortorella's least favorite player on the team. I really don't know why

2) The whole point is to specifically get the best Center possible for the hypothetical scenario of Michkov arriving, and Zegras would be an upgrade over Frost

This next part is speculation but something I think a lot of Flyers fans have thought for awhile now: it may be beneficial for the Frost to move to LW anyways, even though he's proven he can play well down the middle. I could see him in theory performing a similar function to Zegras on a team long term.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 12:02 p.m.
Thread: Crazy Summer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>You know, it's funny you think it's an overpay, because we don't think it's even close to going through. Offloading TK so you don't have to deal with his next contract that you're already not going to sign, and then the payment for the difference is a much lesser version of Zegras and a diminutive winger.

By the time TK is a UFA he'll be going into his age 29 season, we won't need his 8th year option for holding his rights, if we want to take a run at him, we have the money to do it as a UFA. The other pieces are of no interest to us.

So if you want Zegras, the main piece needs to be a young, top 6 RW with size. Signs point to Foerster as the basis for that trade, or we just keep Zegras, we're very happy to do so.</div></div>

I mean, the package is a top-20 RW in the league in his 20's, a top-10 drafted RHD prospect in the league and a (as of today) 25 year old 40-50 point Center with solid defensive results. I can understand if Anaheim just flatly won't trade him, but this is a better package than even Eichel got
Forum: Mock-DraftTue. at 7:27 a.m.
Thread: Could I Get Some Scouting Reports On These Guys
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>He is thin, wiry…and very quick. Probably similar build to Zegras or Sale. Avoids getting knocked off puck by evading contract. A couple years in NCAA will probably allow him to get up for 180-190 lbs.</div></div>

Yeah<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>He is thin, wiry…and very quick. Probably similar build to Zegras or Sale. Avoids getting knocked off puck by evading contract. A couple years in NCAA will probably allow him to get up for 180-190 lbs.</div></div>

Yeah I consider height the more important of the 2 size factors at this stage. Weight really only has impact when it's either a huge x-factor in some capacity or in the context of talking about if a guy is NHL ready or not
Forum: Mock-DraftTue. at 7:25 a.m.
Thread: Could I Get Some Scouting Reports On These Guys
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigBadBurke</b></div><div>i don't understand the "size" comments when it comes to catton at all, or even helenius for that matter... do you hear anyone ever talk about trocheck's size?

and yet you call connelly bigger? huh -__- are we just referring to weight here or what</div></div>

It's a mix of both, although height is more important at this point in their developments. Connelly is above average in height but hasn't really filled into his frame. His weight is below average but that's fairly easily fixable.

Catton is sub-6 foot and the same weight as Connelly, I consider that small by NHL standards.

Helenius is listed at 5'10 3/4 but is the heaviest of the trio. Probably bulked up enough to be NHL-ready but his height would still have him on the smaller side of NHL forwards.

As for if any of this actually matters... probably not, but NHL scouts usually don't view it that way
Forum: Mock-DraftMon. at 9:52 p.m.
Thread: Could I Get Some Scouting Reports On These Guys
Yakemchuk -&gt; Big RHD who scored 30 goals this past season and plays with a mean streak to his game. Some of his puck management and defensive fundamentals leave a lot to be desired. His rankings are all over but I'd suspect he's gone somewhere in the top-12, maybe as high as top-5

Catton -&gt; Center who is an elite skater and just put up extremely impressive WHL numbers this year. Really smart player but his size, an underwhelming end to the year and a lack of some of the "big stage" visibility make some people speculate he'll slip a bit on draft day. Could go as high as 5 or as low as 15, he probably deserves the former but history shows there's a real chance the latter might happen

Buium -&gt; Small, smart defenseman who put up absurd NCAA scoring results this year and won a Gold medal as a DY eligible player at the WJC. Plays with an edge to his game while maintaining a crazy high hockey IQ. No part of his physical toolbox is super impressive, but he doesn't have weaknesses either. Should go in the 6-10 range.

Helenius -&gt; Smaller Center who put up quality results against men in Finland this year. He's a really good skater with high end playmaking habits, but he's not much of a goal scorer and has underwhelmed at times on the international stage. Will probably land in the 10-14 range

Eiserman -&gt; He is incredible at scoring goals. He is not incredible at anything else. Will go in the first half of the first round, will depend on which team feels comfortable with the risks of his flaws.

Greentree -&gt; Big winger who put up really good results on a terrible OHL team this year. Bad at skating but can really shoot and competes hard. Showed non-typical leadership skills by wearing a 'C' on his jersey this year. Has not impressed at international events and looks inconsistent at times. Should go in the 16-24 range, but a team could reach on him,

Brandsegg-Nygård -&gt; Really smart forward who is known for a smart defensive game and putting up strong performances with the spotlight on him. Doesn't have a skillset that most people think will translate to a star NHL forward, but the floor is very high and the micro stats seem to think there is untapped offensive upside there. He will most likely go somewhere between 10-20

Hutson -&gt; USNDPT all-time scoring leader for defenseman, but he is small and has struggled at times to the point where he has not entirely alleviated the notion that he is translatable. Too much of a wild card to even begin justifying a draft order selection

Jiricek -&gt; Defensive defenseman who showed he could keep up with men in a professional league despite being one of the younger defenseman in this draft. Got hurt in the winter and missed a lot of time. Has good size and moves pretty well. My guess is he's specifically going in the 11-16 range

Connelly -&gt; Bigger skilled forward who can play wing or center. Put up strong USHL results and has impressed on the international stage. Has off ice and character concerns. Another total wild card come draft day