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Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 6:59 p.m.
Thread: Guerin type offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoolHandL</b></div><div>I would only do the Zary trade (assuming Calgary wanted to as well).

I would keep Gus. They probably won’t get enough in return anyway due to his most recent numbers… like a 25’ 2nd is probably close to accurate, but it’s piss poor value. Also, do they really want to rely on an age 40 Flower and a rookie Wallstedt (regardless of his stock) to help get them back to the playoffs? I would keep Gus and see if he can re-establish his value. Wallstedt will get more starts regardless due to Flower being in his twilight. Better to ease in goalies, regardless of how highly touted they are.</div></div>

To be clear, these are not trades that I'm hoping for or would do myself. It's a reflection of what I think Guerin will likely try and accomplish - i.e. Rossi for a young player with upside, Gus for cap space/futures, add some more grit/depth, sign a vet to a short-term.

Trading Gus for poor value wouldn't be my first choice either, but when going for realism (which this ACGM is), then I wager on the side that he does get dealt.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 15 at 11:49 a.m.
Thread: Rossi is available but READ ME
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BuffaloSoldier</b></div><div>'I remember being told Fiala wouldn't return jack **** bc MN had no leverage and that everyone's favorite team DEFINITELY didn't have interest."

It was kind of the opposite. Wild fans thought Fiala would return a top 10 pick + blue chip prospect + roster player. Also Wild fans posting armchair GMs of him getting the 2nd overall pick from the Devils.

Fans of other teams said they'd get a 1st + solid prospect, but won't get a top 10 pick. They were pretty spot on with his value since we already had plenty examples of other RFAs getting traded to look at.

Seems like Wild fans are back on the kool aid with Rossi.</div></div>

I can't control what other people post, but that's revisionist history from my experience. Here are the receipts.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2917959
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2950855
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 10 at 1:50 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 26 at 10:15 a.m.
Thread: Rossi Traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>The point would be that both GM's were selling from a point of weakness. Gauthier because he was not going to sign with Philly and Rossi with the fact that it seems he's not a Guerin guy and he keep him despite him playing well. The actual exact details are not the same as i said, obviously. Similar only that one sense.

For sure we'll find out if he's gung ho on moving him. Hope he moves past the size thing and keeps him. He's finally turning into the player he was drafted to be.</div></div>

But the relative points of weakness aren't even remotely close to one another, and that's assuming Guerin is even dealing from a point of weakness to begin with. Which, I don't agree that he is. That's fine if you do, but it's hardly indisputable like it was in the case of Briere/Gauthier.

The entire argument is propped up on the opinion that once a GM a makes a player available, he damages his negotiating power to a significant enough degree that you're pointing it out. No issue with you having that stance, but that isn't a fact.

And agree - moving him for size/grit reasons would be quite dumb. Rossi plays hard and tough, I don't get Guerin's obsession with trying to be the nastiest team in the league.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 25 at 4:36 p.m.
Thread: Rossi Traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Hmm I still disagree with that first sentiment. NHL trading is different than stocks and the housing market but yes I do agree with the old boys club mentality of the GM's. I didn't mean to imply that teams were now going to bend Guerin over backwards as a result. More so that, in a vacuum, a player like Rossi after the season he had would reach a level of perceived value that would force other teams to start a higher starting point for negotiations. Making him available (With realistic expectations and not just "listening"), automatically changes the dynamic of that negotiation.

Again I didn't mean that now Minny would need to accept the first crap offer thrown at them and I agree 100% with the Team A gets Player X and Team B gets Player Y + Draft Pick Z assertion. The real question I was hinting to is what would be the difference between the hypothetical scenario mentioned above vs if Rossi was not being actively shopped. IMHO I think there would be a decent amount of value lost as a result.

A similar but not exact example of this was Philly with Gauthier. What would Philly have got in return if Gauthier never wanted out and they were just listening to teams offers? Different circumstance than with Rossi obviously but a parallel can be made.</div></div>

Gauthier is not a good parallel at all. He was not under contract with PHI and outright said he would not sign. Rossi, however, has a contractual obligation with the Minnesota Wild and does not have an ounce of say in the matter. There is an iron clad legal difference between the two situations. That has exponentially more to do with trade price than whether or not a GM "made the player available."

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here, and we can revisit the value if he does get dealt this summer.