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Maybe A 3C Trade

Created by: Play_Party_Hard
Team: 2024-25 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: May 17, 2024
Published: May 18, 2024
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- Is there possibly a trade out there for a short term 3C? I could see Dubas looking for terms of one or two years remaining, similar to Reilly Smith last year.
- This is a scenario where Chicago would seek out a veteran forward via trade and not have to pay. Similar to how they acquired Taylor Hall.
- Kylington would be someone I look at for a "show me" type deal. There could be high reward as Karlsson's partner.
- Ponomarev gets acclimated to the system by starting in WBS.
Free Agent Signings
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1$775,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
2$900,000
2$800,000
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1$800,000
1$825,000
3$3,950,000
1$950,000
1$2,750,000
1$1,000,000
1$800,000
1$775,000
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  1. Bemström, Emil [RFA Rights]
  2. 2025 4th round pick (PIT)
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2024
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22$87,700,000$84,282,675$0$57,500$3,417,325

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LW
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C
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LW
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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$3,950,000$3,950,000
LW
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$5,166,666$5,166,666
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW
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$2,450,000$2,450,000
C
UFA - 1
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C, RW
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M-NTC
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
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UFA
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 3
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$886,667$886,667 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
G
RFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$800,000$800,000
RD
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May 18 at 11:42 a.m.
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I don't think the Hawks want either of those pieces. We do like LC though. If any team wants the Hawls to take cap...it'll cost them.
May 18 at 11:43 a.m.
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So you send two rentals (one is a cap dump) for a good prospect to a rebuilding team and you think that works for Chicago? Come on
May 18 at 11:48 a.m.
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So you send two rentals (one is a cap dump) for a good prospect to a rebuilding team and you think that works for Chicago? Come on


Thought Crevier was insignificant when it came to CHI's pool. Was just looking to add an AHL guy.
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May 18 at 11:49 a.m.
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Hawks fans when you trade a random 23 year old AHL’er for NHL players ^
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May 18 at 11:51 a.m.
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I like Gourde. It would cost a lot more than that to acquire.
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May 18 at 11:51 a.m.
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Hawks fans when you trade a random 23 year old AHL’er for NHL players ^


Yeah, I know they have a good pool of prospects but come on...
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May 18 at 11:52 a.m.
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Quoting: PensGMwannabe
I like Gourde. It would cost a lot more than that to acquire.


Would probably just upgrade or add a pick. Depends on Seattle's situation. Would they move cap to make a splash this summer?
May 18 at 11:55 a.m.
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Hawks fans when you trade a random 23 year old AHL’er for NHL players ^


Quoting: Play_Party_Hard
Yeah, I know they have a good pool of prospects but come on...


Don't use your lack of ignorance around Crevier to respond to those that are educated around the player in fairness. Crevier is a very solid big body dman. He was brought up when Murphy was injured and looked like he belonged, but was playing a significant shutdown roll with the AHL team who was working towards the playoffs. The Hawks are in the belly of rebuild and purposely not rushing their dman. Crevier is going to be a solid heavy hitting 3rd liner and fills a gap on the right side the Hawks don't have in their prospect system.
May 18 at 11:56 a.m.
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Don't use your lack of ignorance around Crevier to respond to those that are educated around the player in fairness. Crevier is a very solid big body dman. He was brought up when Murphy was injured and looked like he belonged, but was playing a significant shutdown roll with the AHL team who was working towards the playoffs. The Hawks are in the belly of rebuild and purposely not rushing their dman. Crevier is going to be a solid heavy hitting 3rd liner and fills a gap on the right side the Hawks don't have in their prospect system.


That’s cool, it’s still funny though.
May 18 at 12:09 p.m.
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That’s cool, it’s still funny though.


because ignorance is bliss laugh
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May 18 at 12:10 p.m.
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because ignorance is bliss laugh


I'm sorry I'm not well versed in the plethora of bargain bin AHL players Chicago has to care enough about a random 23 year old nobody has ever heard of.
May 18 at 12:14 p.m.
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Quoting: FlameFlameFruit
Hawks fans when you trade a random 23 year old AHL’er for NHL players ^


What use does a rebuilding CHI team have for not only giving up a good young prospect for nothing but also taking other teams garbage and giving them cap relief with no compensation? Think before you speak.

Edit: didn't realize this was already responded to. I just refreshed the page. lol
May 18 at 12:18 p.m.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Louis f'n Crevier!
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May 18 at 12:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Play_Party_Hard
Ladies and gentlemen, Louis f'n Crevier!


Wait, you mean you HAVEN'T heard of our 7th round pick 23 year old who played a whopping 20 games this season? Pure ignorance. How dare you.
May 18 at 12:36 p.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
So you send two rentals (one is a cap dump) for a good prospect to a rebuilding team and you think that works for Chicago? Come on


a good prospect tears of joy
omg let the homerism stop on here, you're killing me smalls
May 18 at 12:42 p.m.
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I'm going to fault that CHI trade to.
You give up Smith and replace him with even more worthless Gourde?
Come on man.
Swapping bodies doesn't create a better team.

I don't mind bringing on Kylington, I just don't think anyone should expect that much and it's probably a bit of an over pay. He played 33 games last year. At 26 he's only got 1 actual season of real play.

I also think the Joshua signing is a bit rich. The guys never even cracked 40 points and you handing him 4 mil x 3. The guy is 28 years old this year, and has a career high of 32 points man.
There is no need to throw piles of cash at half ass players.
You have to win the money/performance ratio if you are ever going to build a team that actually wins. You can't just go handing out big contracts to bottom 6 guys, who get little ice time and don't put up points.
May 18 at 12:54 p.m.
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Hawks don't want either piece being offered here.
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May 18 at 2:07 p.m.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Louis f'n Crevier!


Quoting: FlameFlameFruit
Wait, you mean you HAVEN'T heard of our 7th round pick 23 year old who played a whopping 20 games this season? Pure ignorance. How dare you.


Same thing was said about many d-men in the AHL at 23 or limited time in the NHL at 23. Forsling? Keith? Again, Crevier is going to be a very solid 3rd liner and Hawks aren't trading him for the pens garbage here; a cap dump and a guy Pool party who played 22 games this season with a whooping 4 points...he's a dman right? oh wait...he's not! laugh
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May 18 at 3:46 p.m.
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Same thing was said about many d-men in the AHL at 23 or limited time in the NHL at 23. Forsling? Keith? Again, Crevier is going to be a very solid 3rd liner and Hawks aren't trading him for the pens garbage here; a cap dump and a guy Pool party who played 22 games this season with a whooping 4 points...he's a dman right? oh wait...he's not! laugh


I just find it funny we are all discussing Louis Crevier on this fine Saturday afternoon. Cheers!
May 18 at 4:05 p.m.
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I'm going to fault that CHI trade to.
You give up Smith and replace him with even more worthless Gourde?
Come on man.
Swapping bodies doesn't create a better team.

I don't mind bringing on Kylington, I just don't think anyone should expect that much and it's probably a bit of an over pay. He played 33 games last year. At 26 he's only got 1 actual season of real play.

I also think the Joshua signing is a bit rich. The guys never even cracked 40 points and you handing him 4 mil x 3. The guy is 28 years old this year, and has a career high of 32 points man.
There is no need to throw piles of cash at half ass players.
You have to win the money/performance ratio if you are ever going to build a team that actually wins. You can't just go handing out big contracts to bottom 6 guys, who get little ice time and don't put up points.


- It would be nice to get a mid-round pick for Smith, but we shall see. I beg to differ on Gourde, he is the type of player this bottom-six needs. Would be a great 3C in Sullivan's system with both PK and PP ability. He only comes with one year as well - right up the GM's alley. With his hands somewhat tied, I find it more likely that Dubas will need to swap a contract at some point this summer.
- I understand there is some risk with Kylington, thus the one-year contract. He probably can come a little bit cheaper. I look at the Bruins' model this past offseason. They got criticized for signing what were deemed "irrelevant players." They contended for their division and won a playoff round. I can see Dubas using this methodology. The Pro Scouts have to get to work. Like I said, his hands are slightly tied and sending substantial futures should be off the table.
- In UFA, most contracts tend to be unfavorable. IF Dubas does get to move out Smith, he will have a little bit of luxury to spend where he should: the bottom-six and LHD. Sometimes a player's breakout year comes a little later in their career. Joshua would be a fine add for a bottom-six that needs more goals.
- These Penguins ACGMs with 5 or 6 trades just aren't realistic. Dubas is going to dig into the UFA market and make some fans go "huh?" Maybe there will be one splash signing at most. I get this website is fun, but the fanbase has to come down to Earth a little bit.
May 18 at 5:59 p.m.
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- It would be nice to get a mid-round pick for Smith, but we shall see. I beg to differ on Gourde, he is the type of player this bottom-six needs. Would be a great 3C in Sullivan's system with both PK and PP ability. He only comes with one year as well - right up the GM's alley. With his hands somewhat tied, I find it more likely that Dubas will need to swap a contract at some point this summer.
- I understand there is some risk with Kylington, thus the one-year contract. He probably can come a little bit cheaper. I look at the Bruins' model this past offseason. They got criticized for signing what were deemed "irrelevant players." They contended for their division and won a playoff round. I can see Dubas using this methodology. The Pro Scouts have to get to work. Like I said, his hands are slightly tied and sending substantial futures should be off the table.
- In UFA, most contracts tend to be unfavorable. IF Dubas does get to move out Smith, he will have a little bit of luxury to spend where he should: the bottom-six and LHD. Sometimes a player's breakout year comes a little later in their career. Joshua would be a fine add for a bottom-six that needs more goals.
- These Penguins ACGMs with 5 or 6 trades just aren't realistic. Dubas is going to dig into the UFA market and make some fans go "huh?" Maybe there will be one splash signing at most. I get this website is fun, but the fanbase has to come down to Earth a little bit.


I think their spending is going to be different than you think. They will make 1 big move. It will be a 1LW. I'm almost certain of that.
Instead of spending 4 on Joshua they will spend 6 or 6.5 on Teräväinen. Which is better use of cap.

You are too worried about bottom 6 forwards. Gourde isn't some great replacement contract to Smith.
He's a small forward who's old, and frankly that's not really keen for a bottom 6 role.
I have no problem keeping Smith rather than swapping him out for a player like that who is more expensive. At some point you are just digging deeper in the hole for lost treasure. Forget that.
This team is loaded with young centers. Poulin, Broz, Ponomarev that's not even including Yager.
So looking to swap Smith out just to bring in another bad contract doesn't even make sense.
If they move him it should be for a pick and don't retain. Otherwise, just play it out. The grass isn't always greener.
 
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