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Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsMay 23 at 6:53 a.m.
Thread: Ullmark-NJD Zegras-BOS
With these kinds of deals, it's like the first scene of the movie "Draft Day" with Costner.

"What are we gonna do with it?
"Well, we've gone over this a lot, Walt.
"I'm really nervous about trading away the [goalie oft injured or not good in the playoffs].
" [goalie oft injured or not good in the playoffs] could be huge.
"That's true.
"But it might be worth it if someone's willing to give us their weight in gold to get him.
"What'd the Capitals get when they traded Semyon Varlamov to the Colorado Avalanche?
"A first round pick, who turned into 11th overall, and a second round pick
"Well, sh*t, that'd work for me.
"Nobody's offering us that, Walt. Look. Do you want the entire city of [relevant city] calling for our heads because we traded away [goalie oft injured or not good in the playoffs]?
"Our fans know a good deal when they see one, Tom.
"Which is why we're not even gonna think about doing this unless we can find someone... Stupid enough to give us more than he should.
"Exactly.
"So, who's the most desperate guy you know?

"HEY TOM FITZGERALD... HAVE WE GOT A DEAL FOR YOU?
Forum: Mock-DraftMay 22 at 1:37 p.m.
Thread: MJ's top 44
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KrakBirds23</b></div><div>What are the odds of Seattle moving back one or two picks if both d-men are there are 8? Seems like both the Devils and Flames would be fighting for Iginla.

I can't imagine Seattle trading too far back but I can see that as a scenario if someone really wants Iginla.</div></div>

It hasn't really happened for years... mostly now teams move picks from 7 - 14 to get a guy who is really good, like top 6 forward or 2-3 D who they can put into their line-ups now, and feel like they're getting a missing piece of big importance. Trade ups or downs tend to happen later in the first round nowadays. Dubas took a trade down to get rid of a contract, for instance.

A trade up/down happens if the two conditions are met: the team trading down is getting a player as good as the one they're drafting at their current position (they have their eyes on someone who may not be consensus ranking where they're picking, like they like a guy ranked 40 and they're picking 20); the second condition is that the team trading up sees a player they really think has hidden value that the rest of the draft doesn't detect.

Philadelphia, last year, wanted to trade up to 5 with Montreal to draft Michkov. Montreal did not accept a trade down to 7 because they felt like Arizona was looking at Reinbacher and they wanted Reinbacher. So it didn't happen. But let's say that Montreal were sure that Arizona wasn't picking Reinbacher if they traded down... they probably would have taken the free asset.
Forum: Mock-DraftMay 21 at 9:11 p.m.
Thread: MJ's top 44
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Bold take at #1.

Trevor Connelly does not play for US NDTP. He plays for Tri-City (the USHL one).

Levshunov is everything but not flashy. He is built for the limelight.

Greentree laid an egg at U18s. Combined with his star performance at prospects game, it reaffirmed the notion that he plays to score, not to win. (Stars game=no system, no coaching, recess rules; u18=lots of role playing, structure).

Good list. I like the bold takes…especially on all the ‘littles’</div></div>

Yeah thank you for the correction on Connelly... their U18 was a lot of their development program, so confusion occurred there.

U18s and other international tournaments is a mixed bag... a person can boost their stock at these tournaments, but they should be used as a reason to lower their stock unless a pattern is emerging. If I'm a coach and I assemble lines that win, well you could be a really good player stuck on the third or fourth line just because I'm having success leaning on other very good players.

Nate MacKinnon, for example, didn't show that well at the world juniors when he went... didn't mean he sucked.