Curious to see if anyone's thoughts have changed on this, given how one-sided the voting was.
I'm surprised how many people on a salary cap website didn't get the rationale of this trade.
The got the best player in the deal, and they would have lost Weegar anyway had they extended Huberdeau. This is due to their being a cap ceiling.
People have a difficult time understanding that value of players can be dynamic and different team to team based on the unique situation each team is in. If Florida was uneasy about being the team who signs Huberdeau through his 30s to superstar money, and couldn't to keep both Huberdeau and Weegar regardless, what they actually gave up to acquire Tkachuk wasn't that substantial.
I'm surprised how many people on a salary cap website didn't get the rationale of this trade.
The got the best player in the deal, and they would have lost Weegar anyway had they extended Huberdeau. This is due to their being a cap ceiling.
People have a difficult time understanding that value of players can be dynamic and different team to team based on the unique situation each team is in. If Florida was uneasy about being the team who signs Huberdeau through his 30s to superstar money, and couldn't to keep both Huberdeau and Weegar regardless, what they actually gave up to acquire Tkachuk wasn't that substantial.
Actually I thought it was good trade for all parties last summer. An extended Tkachuk for one year of Huberdeau, Weager and a first. Flames traded one year of Tkachuck. The Flames really screwed up by resigning Huberdeau to the that contract. Imagine if the Flames didn't extended, and traded Hiberdeau and Weager at TDL. Maybe a first rounder for each player, and 16.75m in cap this summer by not resigning those two players.
Actually I thought it was good trade for all parties last summer. An extended Tkachuk for one year of Huberdeau, Weager and a first. Flames traded one year of Tkachuck. The Flames really screwed up by resigning Huberdeau to the that contract. Imagine if the Flames didn't extended, and traded Hiberdeau and Weager at TDL. Maybe a first rounder for each player, and 16.75m in cap this summer by not resigning those two players.
It was a win for everybody given their chosen position.
It's looking bad for the Flames in the short term, but with a coaching change and a new system, it isn't unreasonable that Huberdeau might bounce back.
It was a win for everybody given their chosen position.
It's looking bad for the Flames in the short term, but with a coaching change and a new system, it isn't unreasonable that Huberdeau might bounce back.
Yes it is unreasonable. Huberdeau is life long 75 point player. A 75 point LWer rates 19th among LWer last season in PPG. To expect him to play to his contract....the second highest paid LWer, is a bad contract by any standard. To think at age 30 when the contract stars he's going to keep a 75 point a year pace....well that would be surprising./
This poll and thread are a great reminder that most of us on this site - myself included - have no idea wtf we're talking about.
No, it was a good trade for both teams, since Tkachuk was not going to resign with Flames. A good Huberdeau and Weager and afirst.....that's fair
Where the Flames absolutely blew it was resigning Huberdeau and Weager. Huberdeau eight contract starts at age 30, and makes him the second highest paid LWer....gee that's bad
Even Weager's 6.25m contract takes to age 37 isn't going to age well likely.
Trevling should never be a GM due to those signings......so typically the Leafs apparently are going to sign him. Leafs have long list of GMs who never had any appreciation of the cap....Ferguson, Burke, Nonis and Dubas.
tbf at the time in terms of absolute value this was an easy Calgary win. Their decision to sign both of them to 8 year contracts is what ironically doomed them
tbf at the time in terms of absolute value this was an easy Calgary win. Their decision to sign both of them to 8 year contracts is what ironically doomed them
hard disagree that at the time it was an easy calgary win. Tkachuk had a game that easily translated to other teams. And with both Weegar and Huberdeau expiring soon, the value of those players was not what it would be had they been locked up. Tkachuk extension being part of the deal helped tip this towards florida. I guess with Tkachuk not wanting to resign in CGY, you could say CGY did a good job to maximize their value in picking up two pieces who would resign as well as a first, but whoever gets the better player in the deal tends to win.
hard disagree that at the time it was an easy calgary win. Tkachuk had a game that easily translated to other teams. And with both Weegar and Huberdeau expiring soon, the value of those players was not what it would be had they been locked up. Tkachuk extension being part of the deal helped tip this towards florida. I guess with Tkachuk not wanting to resign in CGY, you could say CGY did a good job to maximize their value in picking up two pieces who would resign as well as a first, but whoever gets the better player in the deal tends to win.
Tkachuk not wanting to sign in Calgary and only for a few teams limited them. And getting a 100 point scorer, a top 4 dman and a 1st was amazing for the Flames. In terms of value you take that everyday of the week. At first many including myself thought Calgary came on top, but after the intial shock wore down I understood Florida perspective:
Hubby was older and due for a raise so was Weegs, that 1st was a few years away and is most likely going to be very late. They were most likely going to lose one of them anyway. Calgary mistake came from giving them those extensions and signing Kadri and dumping Monahan. In an alternate time line Calgary trades Hubby and Weegs for:
1st
Top prospect/good roster player with cap
Mid round pick/prospect/player with cap
LOL. Zito completely outsmarted everyone with this single trade. Unreal.
I mean at first it made no sense. Once the shock wore off it made sense both were going be UFA closing in on 30 (or they were) and get huge raises. No one could see Hubby falling off right away. I'm sure both know this was a trade worth making
Curious to see if anyone's thoughts have changed on this, given how one-sided the voting was.
At the time I thought each side did well and it was fair.
People didn't realize just how good a player Tkachuk was/is. Dude is a swiss-army knife superstar arguably without parallel in the whole league. Florida perhaps more than anyone else recognized that and was willing to give up a massive haul to get him.
Also people were rating Huberdeau far too highly apparently. Maybe, again, Florida saw something in him that was troubling to them so struck while the iron was hot as they say. Either way: Florida now looks like the genius and Calgary looks like they got the short end.
The old maxim "team who got the best player in the trade wins" holds true yet again.