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Forum: Armchair-GM24 hours ago
Thread: Bonk
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DH28Hockey</b></div><div>Bonk and Musty both played their way onto the OHL 1st All-Star team, with Bonk basically acting as the #1D (yes Dickinson is great but Bonk had a better year) on a team that's about to win the Memorial Cup. I just don't really understand how you can plant the flag that Musty had a "much better D+1" when all of the numbers show they performed at a fairly similar level. Cagnoni had a nice D+1 but I think it's a huge stretch to call him better than Bonk at this point, they're both projecting fairly similarly in terms of D+1 growth, and it'd be extremely naive to think that the 5'9 lefty is going to have a better chance at success than the nearly 6'3 righty. Lastly, Robinson (and Elite Prospects in general) as a scouting agency have always been untypically low on Smith and untypically high on Musty. The majority of scouts had Smith as a top-5 pick heading into the draft and Musty as a mid-late 1st at highest. Elite Prospects had them like 3 spots away from each other, which was by *far* the closest anyone had them.</div></div>

Sorry but right around point per game is expected for a projected 1st/2nd pairing D-man, especially in their draft +1 year. He plays a very solid defensive game as well so added points for that. I think he's an incredibly safe player with very little flaws but his ceiling is not super high. Cagnoni is much riskier, but very good defensively and laterally had a historic season offensively (most points by a d-man in the WHL since 1993). Size will always be talked about with him but he's literally heavier than Bonk lol His physicality shouldn't be questioned.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 3:22 p.m.
Thread: Bonk
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DH28Hockey</b></div><div>I think you're either underrating Smith or overrating Musty if that's your evaluation. Bonk and Musty are extremely close in terms of what level of prospect they are, and Smith blows both of them out of the water.

Whether or not either team does it is up for debate (personally I don't think either team would), but Bonk-Musty is absolutely a fair swap on a pure value basis</div></div>

Musty had an MUCH better draft +1 season than Bonk, by like a huge margin. In fact I think the Sharks got a better D-man than Bonk in this draft in Cagnoni, and I don't think Cagnoni is on the same level as Musty.

Cam Robinson from Elite Prospects talked to Sheng Peng about how he thinks Musty is as good if not better than Smith.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 1:39 p.m.
Thread: Trade Route
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>capsleafs447</b></div><div>Strongly disagree, particularly about Pageau.

Look at Mantha. People on Capfriendly were saying he was a cap dump after one meh season and then he bounced back and netted a second and a third. This happens frequently. Dumping them when their value is the lowest is just bad business. And Pageau is great defensively and worth his cap hit.

It's the same thing with David Kampf where people just look at their points totals and ignore their on-ice play and defensive capabilities. Neither are cap dumps just because of their point totals. Defense matters.</div></div>

"one meh season" Pageau has been bad since joining the islanders, so that comparison doesn't make sense. If the Islanders can afford to keep him and build a team that competes then great, keep him.
If not, then he's a cap dump. His cap hit is much higher than the value he brings. If you need to move a player like that, then it's a cap dump.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 1:25 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 11:38 a.m.
Thread: Trade Route
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letsgosharks</b></div><div>Agree to disagree, it depends on the cap dump you get. These are more like cap casualties. If these players were making 2-3m they would be completely different stories. They are still good enough to be 3rd liners, they are just significantly overpaid, but because of our cap situation we can afford it.

IF we can get really solid UFAs on 1-3 year deals I am all for it. I just don't know how realistic that actually is</div></div>

I agree with that. Granlund was technically a cap dump. there's some guys I'd definitely be interested in from teams that can't fit them, but Pageau, Mikheyev, and Schmidt aren't those guys.

I think for UFAs, Chatfield, DeMelo, Pesce, Roy, etc would be good targets for D-men (some more likely than others). Domi, Stephenson, Duchene, for forward tragets. We'll see what happens with Celebrini, but having him and Smith signed would really show free agents that it could be a good place to play and then get dealt to contender
Forum: NHL SigningsYesterday at 11:09 a.m.
Thread: San Jose Sharks signed Will Smith (3 Years / $4,150,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>dude you are over here constantly trying to compare MC to Crosby.
Just stop.

You make up straw man points and ramble.
The points were never that MC isn't a good player. Never. The point was he's not a franchise level guy and teams need that guy to be real contenders and analytics prove that.

If you can't get that, sit down.

God knows you can stop trying to throw his name next to Crosby and show some "model" that puts him to comparable to Crosby and McDavid.... he's not, and people who do such things are click bait idiots.
There are serious qualitative differences between him and those two. It's not even a close comparable. You should be embarrassed rambling that nonsense and thinking anyone should take it seriously.

Yes we know he's a got a chance to be a good young player... your hype nonsense strawman nonsense.
Lafrenière is a good player too, star portential...... but he's not a FP and people knew that at draft. But you have to get past the click bait hype machine that you think is just "fine" to get that far.

But you clearly aren't reading or have 0 ability to comprehend as that your strawman was never the point.

The point was a whole lot of people talking "future looks bright".... well future looks like mediocrity without a FP forward and analytics show that.
He's not that. Good player, yes, FP no. There is no indication of that right now.

NO FP....NO real contender constant uphill climb. That's what analytics show in the league.
I don't make the rules, I just point out the facts of history.
You over here arguing like you're his mom.</div></div>

NHLe is without a doubt the dumbest stat and anyone could possibly use and it should be banned from this site. Anyone trying to use it as an predictor/indicator for a player is just admitting they know nothing about hockey
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 1:36 p.m.
Thread: Another Rough Year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WastingTimeWithTradeNobodyLikes</b></div><div>they don't have a top 1 d-man. and they won't get one in this draft, nobody ahead of the 14th choice that could drfat a good d-man will make a trade with them. obviously.</div></div>

That's just not true. there's plenty of equally as good forwards. Other teams ahead of the sharks would want a forward instead of a d-man. They can trade up with those teams. And yes Cagnoni and Shakir have the ceiling to be #1 guys.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WastingTimeWithTradeNobodyLikes</b></div><div>all players that reach the NHL are competitive and winners. thats an overrated argument. they need to get star players through draft.</div></div>

No, an overrated argument is teams should tank for ever and ever until they get the PERFECT prospect pool. That encourages a losing culture that is incredibly hard to get out of.
I didn't say the players aren't competitive, I'm saying the team structure is BUILT not to be competitive because the players just aren't good enough. Which get's you in this loop of sucking for decades