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Forum: Armchair-GM24 hours ago
Thread: 24-25 Devils
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>I didn't include the most recent year because that year had not happened when Anaheim gave 34 year old Killorn 6.4x4.

I agree Palat is a cap dump, but to suggest that Anaheim wouldn't take him+1st for free when they gave 6.4 mill to what is, in my opinion, a worse, older version of Palat.</div></div>

I think this is the third time I’m saying it. ANA already paid the $6.4M for a veteran winger. To assume they’d add a second makes no sense when they already have out one rich contract and now have zero spots in their top 9. Even then, if you asked Verbeek how much production he expected to get out of that $6.4M, I can guarantee you it was the over on what we got. With Palat, it’s all but guaranteed to be the under

There’s almost nothing that makes it worthwhile to add Palat in ANA. I genuinely think teams across the league will agree. Its great you guys enjoy him , maybe in 2 years he’ll be movable if the cap goes up enough and one team is itching for leadership like we were
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 3:14 p.m.
Thread: 24-25 Devils
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Relative expected goals 5v5:

Killorn in the 4 years before Anaheim acquired him:
-2.6%,-6.2%,-4.6%,-3.5%
Palat in the last 4 years:
6.8%,3%,1%,3.9%</div></div>

Feels a little cherry picked to ignore the more recent year, no? Fine to include those years in addition, but I wouldn’t cut it out entirely

I think these two comments are true from a statistical pov:
1. Killorn is undoubted a higher point producing player than Palat
2. This past year, Killorn’s team had a better relative performance with him on the ice vs Palat’s team with him, though in previous years, Palat held the vantage.

I wouldn’t anticipate Killorn’s contract to be attractive at all in the open market. With similar cap, that would imply Palat’s would be one that teams would altogether avoid, even with a reasonable sweetener. I’m not sure I have much more to say tbh. Wish you and your devils good luck
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 2:18 p.m.
Thread: Flyers 24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>Let’s be real man ur not getting Tyson he’s probably a top 5 candidate in Calder this year even tho he isn’t getting any hype. Basically same goals as Bedard with Selke level defense as a rookie. Brink or Frost I could see moving but if the Flyers trade for Zegras I can promise you Tyson isn’t involved.</div></div>

Let’s also be real that there’s a reason no ANA fans are posting Zegras trades on this platform, it’s because he isn’t available. We need him and value him highly. If you’re calling for an unavailable 23 year old we badly need, the ask is going to be high. If ‘24 1st and Foerster isn’t worth it to you I toootally get that. But that’s probably what it’d take for the Ducks to come wider moving him
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 2:10 a.m.
Thread: 24-25 Devils
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>So anaheim brought in a bad contract because they needed to get a veteran short term. Palat is nearly 2 years younger than Killorn, better now, and cheaper.

Killorn contract= one anaheim is willing to take on because cup winning leadership
Presumably Palat would fall under the exact same umbrella.

Saying anaheim wouldn't take a free 1st for a virtually identical type of asset they willingly took on in free agency doesn't seem to check out.</div></div>

Yes, they decided to overpay one veteran $6.4M who outproduced Palat by 77% at the time on a per game basis, with zero draft compensation going out the door to do so. If they didn’t already fill the shoes of a cup winning veteran, I’m sure a 77% discount for Palat for an equivalent overpayment would’ve been worth considering, which would be in the ballpark of $3.6M, again, for zero draft comp. However they now already have Killorn, and your offer here is Palat for $6M, not $3.6M 🤮

With Zegras, Terry, Gauthier, Vatrano, Killorn, Strome, Colangelo all on the wing, Palat is a $6M fourth line plug for 3 more seasons. Easily going to pass on him even with a late first to sweeten it. I really meant it that I’m glad you enjoy him. You’re going to have 3 more full seasons to enjoy him. Nobody’s touching that contract (just like how we’ll get to enjoy Killer for the remainder of his deal)
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 11:09 p.m.
Thread: 24-25 Devils
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Palat is significantly better in terms of possession, not taking penalties, and defensively. I'd rather have Palat.

With Palat on the ice, NJD has generated 58% of xGoals 5v5 over the last 2 years. He hasn't been below 50% since his 14 games in 2012.

Killorn hasn't been above 50% since 2019.</div></div>

That’s suuuuper awesome, I’m stoked you’re so amped on him because I don’t see any way NJ is able to move that contract.

The key difference here is that everyone in ANA knows we had to overpay Killorn to come in the midst of a rebuild. We knew he wasn’t worth that full price tag even before the down year. I genuinely don’t know what to tell you if you think Palat is worth mote than 75% of his. Not even considering he’ll be like 36 when it ends
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 3:26 p.m.
Thread: Necas and Zegras with comps
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Zegras is a defensive blackhole and everybody not in denial knows it. This is why Verbeek didnt signed him long term but on a capfriendly deal to make him a trade bait.</div></div>

Got it I didn’t realize we were here to play the speculation game based on nonsense. Did you know Caufield has hated living in MTL and has secretly been pushing to be traded to ANA to play with his best friend? 🤡

Zegras is 4th in +/- among ANA fwds, 5th in both relative corsi and fenwick. Not to mention he’s a 22/23 year old, he doesn’t need to be a defensive stud yet, or even at all. He’s our most creative offensive producer and the team is night and day different with/without him on the ice. Been producing a point per game since he’s returned, and he’s still not even 100%. If you don’t like data, check out the goal he scored on LA just the other night generating a solo goal off of his own takeaway.

Tons of players sign bridges for many different reasons. Nylander signed a bridge deal, where is he now? Is Jason Robertson about to get traded?

You’re absolutely entitled to your opinion, but you should be a bit more familiar with a player before you comment so definitively, and maybe base your opinions on something other than media chatter and heresay. I don’t blame you for not watching ANA, we’re garbage. But your ignorance is being worn on your sleeve. You won’t find one ANA fan on this platform that wants to see Zegras go anywhere. There’s a reason for that
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 10:27 a.m.
Thread: Necas and Zegras with comps
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Obviously 14th overall isnt scrap and makes it hard to take you seriously.

You just sound like all the Buffalo fans claimimg Eichel was worth 3x1st+, and Eichel was worth more than Zegras. At least he a center ;)</div></div>

Eichel: injured, unwilling to follow the medical advice of his team, publicly known rift between him and BUF, new team takes on the risk of him getting a surgery never performed on an active NHL player

Zegras: None of that. Still not fully healthy recovering from a broken ankle and playing point per game hockey as a.. center.

Is Zegras Eichel? Not even a little bit. But you’re comp to eichel is a bad one. It’s really as straightforward as why the heck ANA would trade their most offensively gifted forward for a bunch of mid value picks that are unlikely to land a single top 6 player. His comment may have been exaggerated, but this offer is terrible