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Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 24, 2017
Published: Nov. 24, 2017
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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With the minimum salary cap if the numbers Bettman said are true (big if obviously, but the max he said possible was 92.5). Really wish Zaitzev and Martin were booted, but not going to happen. Sign Green to a big 1 year deal before Matthews/Marner/Gardiner need new deals.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
1$900,000
1$900,000
8$7,500,000
1$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$9,000,000
17/18 Cap space, Overage
2$5,000,000
1$8,500,000
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$79,900,000$82,057,500$2,550,000$4,550,000-$2,157,500
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$6,250,000$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 1
$7,500,000$7,500,000
RW
UFA - 6
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
$9,000,000$9,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 7
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$900,000$900,000
C
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333
RW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
17/18 Cap space, Overage
$5,000,000$5,000,000
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$4,050,000$4,050,000
LD
UFA - 1
$8,500,000$8,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 1
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 6
$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
$900,000$900,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2

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Nov. 24, 2017 at 1:20 p.m.
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You're one of few to put this year's overage in next years roster. But the Leafs need not have any overages for 2019/20. when they have large RFA signings And to do that, the 2018/2019 performances bonuses have to included in the 2018/19. So that's 4.5m. has to be included. So certainly Green can't be signed. And why would the Leaf really want to parachute a guy who certainly isn't worth that much money.
I still don't know how Tavares could fit into the Leafs cap long term. Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Liljggen, Borgman will be looking at new contracts, and if they are good.. much bigger money than get now.
Nov. 24, 2017 at 1:22 p.m.
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Tavares or Matthews

Choose one
Nov. 24, 2017 at 1:33 p.m.
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Tavares or Matthews

Choose one


Just like Pittsburgh had to choose Crosby or Malkin. Right? Right? They had to get rid of one and haven’t won anything.
Nov. 24, 2017 at 1:42 p.m.
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You're one of few to put this year's overage in next years roster. But the Leafs need not have any overages for 2019/20. when they have large RFA signings And to do that, the 2018/2019 performances bonuses have to included in the 2018/19. So that's 4.5m. has to be included. So certainly Green can't be signed. And why would the Leaf really want to parachute a guy who certainly isn't worth that much money.
I still don't know how Tavares could fit into the Leafs cap long term. Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Liljggen, Borgman will be looking at new contracts, and if they are good.. much bigger money than get now.


Have to admit I have no idea what you mean. I’d have to put another 4.5 cap hit in for 18/19? You mean only if want no overage in 19/20? I’m not worried about that because will still have Hortons LTIR to use and way less bonus to carry forward once big 3 all on proper contracts.

If any sort of cap growth as there has been in most years, there will be plenty of room for the new big 4 assuming Marner gets around 6/7 million per and Matthews 12ish. Plus, my cap is with the smallest revenue Bettman predicted, plus zero growth factor added by the union. If, as I do here, you assume Bettman isn’t willfully lying, and the Canadian dollar doesn’t crater, it’s likely to be significantly higher. I don’t care a whit for the other guys you name yet. None are can’t miss guys so just prospects at this point. And you can’t rely on prospects.

As for green, with the LTIR going to be used regardless (in my case), give a point producing D a huge 1 year deal and use cap space to the max. Not worth it, but might get him for a cup run on an above market 1yr deal.
Nov. 24, 2017 at 2:04 p.m.
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Tavares or Matthews

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Just like Pittsburgh had to choose Crosby or Malkin. Right? Right? They had to get rid of one and haven’t won anything.


You have zero cap space and require a re-signing of both Nylander and Matthews the following season.
Nov. 24, 2017 at 4:31 p.m.
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Just like Pittsburgh had to choose Crosby or Malkin. Right? Right? They had to get rid of one and haven’t won anything.


You have zero cap space and require a re-signing of both Nylander and Matthews the following season.


Look at the roster. Nylander already resigned, and plenty of room if cap goes up at even a few percent. As I predicated in description.
Nov. 24, 2017 at 4:50 p.m.
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In 19/20, even if small cap rise, resign Matthews at 12, Marner at 7, and Gardiner at 6, still have a few million plus the rise in cap for a half dozen minor players.
Nov. 24, 2017 at 7:08 p.m.
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You're one of few to put this year's overage in next years roster. But the Leafs need not have any overages for 2019/20. when they have large RFA signings And to do that, the 2018/2019 performances bonuses have to included in the 2018/19. So that's 4.5m. has to be included. So certainly Green can't be signed. And why would the Leaf really want to parachute a guy who certainly isn't worth that much money.
I still don't know how Tavares could fit into the Leafs cap long term. Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Liljggen, Borgman will be looking at new contracts, and if they are good.. much bigger money than get now.


Have to admit I have no idea what you mean. I’d have to put another 4.5 cap hit in for 18/19? You mean only if want no overage in 19/20? I’m not worried about that because will still have Hortons LTIR to use and way less bonus to carry forward once big 3 all on proper contracts.

If any sort of cap growth as there has been in most years, there will be plenty of room for the new big 4 assuming Marner gets around 6/7 million per and Matthews 12ish. Plus, my cap is with the smallest revenue Bettman predicted, plus zero growth factor added by the union. If, as I do here, you assume Bettman isn’t willfully lying, and the Canadian dollar doesn’t crater, it’s likely to be significantly higher. I don’t care a whit for the other guys you name yet. None are can’t miss guys so just prospects at this point. And you can’t rely on prospects.

As for green, with the LTIR going to be used regardless (in my case), give a point producing D a huge 1 year deal and use cap space to the max. Not worth it, but might get him for a cup run on an above market 1yr deal.


I know you don't know what I mean. Most people do not follow the actually NHL cap rules. Fact is you just can't pick a future year and ignore the performance bonuses that may or may not be carried over from previous year
Just look what I wrote. Look at the ACTUAL. Leaf performance bonuses that for 2017/18 are about 5.4m. Leafs can't use put it one this year partly because of Lupul and Horton, so that 5.4m HAS to paid in 2018/19.

So there is 5.4m that can't be spend in 2018/19. Now the Leafs are going to lots of players to resign in 2019/20, so to do that don't want to carry over 4.5m performance bonus from 2018/19 into 2019/20. So that's 9.9m that you have spend that in reality you can't. Also in order to pay performance bonuses in the same year, your opening day roster has to include your LTIR player. 5.25 for Horton. Now this money is taken off immediately when the season opens and the Leafs can fill with players, but again it is performance bonus issue.
So how the Leafs want to manage the cap it setting up for the very expensive 2019/20 is to have include the cap of 2018/19 include the bonuses of 5.4m and 4.5m and Horton 5,25 which totals 15.25m
See why Tavares and Green at 17.25m just isn't possible. And Tavares long term is 99% not possible if you want to resign some of the important young players.
Two weeks ago I made a post showing the reality that the Leafs really only have about 3m to sign UFAs next year, if they keep their current players and sign Nylander.
A Cap Friendly poster. "Billius" posted so rosters and explained the performance bonuses, and LTIRs and why they are so important.

Now if you say don't "give a whit" fine. But you missing the fine points of what makes a realistic cap compliant roster. Might has well ignore the cap altogether. And come next summer, you'll be wondering why the Leafs didn't spend to the cap.
Nov. 24, 2017 at 8:07 p.m.
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No, I was right. You were telling me how you would do it. I was saying I’ll use that cap hit in 19/20. You want to use it in 18/19 so that 19/20 is clean. That’s fine. You do that in your teams. Here, I’m using that cap space in 18/19 and will take the penalty in 19/20 as well. Then in 20/21 will be clean, lose Martin and Zaitzev to a compliance buyout after the lockout, and have plenty of room. Assuming mild growth will have 85 million cap by 20/21 with 20ish million to spend on a dozen players. Very doable.
Nov. 25, 2017 at 1:11 a.m.
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8.5 million for Mike Green, even for 1 year? Are you KIDDING me?!
Nov. 25, 2017 at 9:24 a.m.
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8.5 million for Mike Green, even for 1 year? Are you KIDDING me?!


Nope. Think’ I explained clearly. Add a big time PP specialist. But can’t afford a long term deal. So throw every cap dollar we have at him for a 1 year run at the cup.
Nov. 25, 2017 at 11:27 p.m.
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8.5 million for Mike Green, even for 1 year? Are you KIDDING me?!


Nope. Think’ I explained clearly. Add a big time PP specialist. But can’t afford a long term deal. So throw every cap dollar we have at him for a 1 year run at the cup.


Thank god you are not our GM. Holy.
Nov. 26, 2017 at 8:29 a.m.
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Nope. Think’ I explained clearly. Add a big time PP specialist. But can’t afford a long term deal. So throw every cap dollar we have at him for a 1 year run at the cup.


Thank god you are not our GM. Holy.


Serious question: already into LTIR so getting bonus penalty the next year. Why not use all of it?
Nov. 27, 2017 at 10:01 p.m.
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Thank god you are not our GM. Holy.


Serious question: already into LTIR so getting bonus penalty the next year. Why not use all of it?


If you pay Mike Green 8.5 for 1 year, players are going to notice that and start asking for way more. They would never mess with the salary structure like that. JT is at least at 9 million in your scenario, so that lines up with that eventual Matthews 10-12 million per. Mike Green at 8.5 does not add up to any salary structure & throws it so out of whack.
 
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