When people say the Blackhawks need RD, we don't mean 3rd pairing RD

I wouldn't mind Barron, I'm just not paying one of our only forward prospects of stature for the privledge and a third for a team that has 12 picks better in the next 2 drafts don;t really excite.

An RD who is 3rd pair right now but is young and has some untapped upside is fine. We don't necessarily need a top four RD for at least two years. That said, Barron is not valuable enough to pull off a deal like this, IMO. I don't really like the idea of moving Dach, but I also wouldn't say he is unavailable.

I am not sure Dach is a good pick up for Habs. Dach had 11 goals in the AHL this season while Barron scored 7 goals in NHL in 48 games.

That's fair. I don't think Barron is that guy. My initial point is also based on the post assuming the Hawks take Levshunov with the Habs having Demidov.

Hawks decline. Rather keep Dach.

Oh ok. Gotcha. I really hope CHI doesn't take Levshunov. THIS pretty accurately explains why I don't want to use a 2nd overall on him. There will be guys later in this draft, in future drafts, free agency, and available through trade, if and when we need to target a big RD.

IMO, there is a gap between Celebrini and Demidov, and then a BIG drop off after that without much change in the caliber of player you are getting through most of the 1st round. In most drafts, you can get guys like Levshunov anywhere from 10th overall through the early 2nd round.

Even if he is guaranteed to become a superstar, it is not imperative that our 1RD is a superstar. CHI's superstar dman could easily already be in our system and could be a lefty. In which case, we just need solid RD's who can eat minutes. There are a lot of RD's with that kind of potential in the late 1st round through the 2nd round this year. I actually like Emery and Brunicke more than I like Levshunov. I also like Buium more than I like Levshunov, even if he is a left shot.

I think he is a good and intriguing young RD, but he is also overrated because of his size and handedness, and probably doesn't belong in the top 10 of the average NHL draft.

Yeah I mean I just think it comes down to at 2 OA you have to go BPA regardless of position, and I think that's demidov. There are some intriguing defensive prospects to be had at 20 and 34, if Davidson pleases. Rinzel's development has been nice. Like you said, plenty of teams win the cup without a superstar defenseman. The Avalanche are pretty much an outlier. I'd call guys like Hedman and Petro stars, but not superstars.

For sure. Did you watch that scouting video I linked? The youtube channel is pretty new, but the kid isn't half bad.

So you guys draft Demidov?

I sure hope so. It should be a pretty easy decision, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them overthink things and take someone else.

Why are Habs fans so insistent on trading for Dach?

Dachs are like pokemon. Gotta catch em all!

I think it is mainly @habitantlecolon. But, personally, even if they didn't already have Kirby, I absolutely see the allure. He plays a very desirable game. If he hits at the NHL level, he is going to be an important piece of whatever team he is playing for and be a fan favorite.

I've been asking for Dack, Faksa, or Sturm for the HABS nation for more than a year (Faksa 5 yrs no joke) because I see something in those players that fit our system

it's all my fault. I've been doing AGM about undervalued players that fit our system for years because I really like those kinds of hardworking players.

Either you have posted 20 ACGMs in the past few months (and I never noticed it was the same person) or others are posting too.

closer to 200 ! And I also greatly influenced other AGM because I'm always chatting.

I did, and he makes some points. I think for him it's more about projection than current ability (which is also good). I've seen him up and down on lists. He's got the tools, and Davidson likes tools. At the end of the day, if Davidson thinks he's the 2nd best player in the draft and picks him, I'll be on board with it.

Exactly my point. I'm sick of sitting around and tearing the kid apart, because I do think he is good and I don't want to take anything away from him. I just don't believe he is worth our 2nd overall pick in this draft. But, along the lines of what you said, if KD picks him, what else can we do but hope for the best?